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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7664405" data-attributes="member: 48965">I never said it was run in every establishment... but it was run exclusively in FLGS's which is where ICV2 collects the lion's share of their data from for the rankings you keep citing as proof.  As the the Pathfinder Society you seem to be selectively choosing the confounding variables you want to address since as I stated before Pathfinder sells directly with both a price reduction and free PDF as incentive.  So there is much less reason to buy Paizo product from a LFGS...Exactly what data concerning new players did it capture?At least it is for you...as you are so aptly demonstrating...Wait... what, citation please, otherwise I call bull...Or it could show that a few/some/many who had lost interest in 4e swung back around to check essentials out once we heard about what it was... I admit I bought the essentials books because many were saying it was much closer to the older editions... so it actually could support numerous conclusions... but doesn't actually support anything. Anecdotes and examples... we could go round and round all day.  So unless one of us has proof the other is lying this is kind of fruitless discussion...  Ah, because of that incomplete data you keep relying on to <s>prove</s>...sorry support your conclusions.  The funny thing is that when looked at with confirmation bias and incomplete a person can make data support nealy any conclusion they desire.  I'll trust in Lisa Stevens, the CEO of Pathfinder stating that Pathfinder overtook D&D months before ICV2 stated Pathfinder was on top over your inferences from ICV2... I mean that's the actual word of someone who had access to complete data at the time.  Again we could go back with examples but it would be pointless... so you keep painting fans of 4e in the victim role if that's what floats your boat, it's of little consequence to me how you choose to remember the 4e edition wars.  Yeah apparently no one could force me to have fun with hour+ long combat, short but numerous condition tracking, and flavorless crunch either... *shrug* but now I have 5e and I am having fun... sorry yours didn't take.  Here, let me educate you on the differences between the two words as they are used now...Definition of FAN1:  an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator.2:  an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit).Definition of FANATIC:  marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion.One clearly has a more negative connotation than the other... but I think you knew that already and since you are aware of both words I can only assume you intentionally chose to pick one over the other.</blockquote>

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