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<blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 7664624" data-attributes="member: 10479"><p>You really don't if you ever thought and still think that . . .</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because this is the mark of someone who doesn't get it and doesn't want to get it.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to be at a convention this weekend and there will be dozens and dozens of different RPGs being played where the attendance is going to be somewhere around a mere 750-800 (maybe a bit more). There will be tons of indie games and lots of odd duck one-off systems and even some pre-D&D Braunstein and there will be every stripe of D&D with the likely exception of 4E. 5E? Yup, some folks are interested. (O)D&D, 1E, BECMI, 2E, 3.XE, PF? Yup, there will be lots of all of that.</p><p></p><p>There will be people there who love RPGs of almost every kind and folks who have been designing RPGs and RPG adventures since the very beginnings of RPGs. The collective years of RPG experience of the people who will be in attendance and gaming and running games at this small convention will rival huge conventions (maybe not Gen Con which might top 60K+ in attendance this year <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>Most folks I have spoken to about 4E basically agree that 4E was seemingly designed as a set of Minis Skirmish Combat rules with aspirations of appealing to CRPG and MMORPG gamers then squeezed into a very thin tabletop RPG skin. And as a skirmish game, it's okay but there are many that are better. But as an RPG, it just doesn't do a very good job at all and used a couple / few of patches to try and fix that, like the oft mentioned Page 42 and Skill Challenges.</p><p></p><p>I know this doesn't fit your narrative as well as the folks who don't like 4E, the ones you might describe as two word posters on the comments section of a pro-4E articles (back when 4E was still being published). It's likely most of them even had reasons they just didn't deign to share. But the reality I have seen regarding the opinions on 4E is very different and very much grounded in the opinions of a lot of people who know quite a bit about RPGs. I'm not saying everyone who will be at the convention this weekend has an opinion. Most simply don't care or know much about 4E. What I am saying the ones who do have an opinion are quite rational indeed.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, there are people who like the way 4E is designed and will continue to play it for many years to come. I hope they enjoy it and that it brings them many years of fun. I've played dozens and dozens of RPGs in my 40+ years of RPGing, wargaming, card playing, boardgaming, and general tabletop gaming and often gravitate to the games I like better than others, many of which have plenty of flaws not only in the eyes of others but also my own.</p><p></p><p>The next time I get the itch for a Western Gunfighter RPG, I don't even plan to use an RPG but rather Legends of the Old West, a Warhammer Historical series set of mini skirmish combat rules with some skill system of my own devising (or lifted from somewhere) grafted onto it. It won't really be an RPG except in the way we play it but I'll make it work because there is something about the rules I really like.</p><p></p><p>But what I don't need is for many others to like it, nor do I need everyone who doesn't like it to agree that they are being irrational if they don't like it, for me to feel okay about liking it myself. And that's really what you still don't get. You can like things that other people don't like without their not liking it having to be a personal attack on you or what you like. So, really, when you post . . .</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>. . . I have to wonder why you need to believe this, still, and why you can't just let it go and move on already?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark CMG, post: 7664624, member: 10479"] You really don't if you ever thought and still think that . . . Because this is the mark of someone who doesn't get it and doesn't want to get it. I'm going to be at a convention this weekend and there will be dozens and dozens of different RPGs being played where the attendance is going to be somewhere around a mere 750-800 (maybe a bit more). There will be tons of indie games and lots of odd duck one-off systems and even some pre-D&D Braunstein and there will be every stripe of D&D with the likely exception of 4E. 5E? Yup, some folks are interested. (O)D&D, 1E, BECMI, 2E, 3.XE, PF? Yup, there will be lots of all of that. There will be people there who love RPGs of almost every kind and folks who have been designing RPGs and RPG adventures since the very beginnings of RPGs. The collective years of RPG experience of the people who will be in attendance and gaming and running games at this small convention will rival huge conventions (maybe not Gen Con which might top 60K+ in attendance this year :) ). Most folks I have spoken to about 4E basically agree that 4E was seemingly designed as a set of Minis Skirmish Combat rules with aspirations of appealing to CRPG and MMORPG gamers then squeezed into a very thin tabletop RPG skin. And as a skirmish game, it's okay but there are many that are better. But as an RPG, it just doesn't do a very good job at all and used a couple / few of patches to try and fix that, like the oft mentioned Page 42 and Skill Challenges. I know this doesn't fit your narrative as well as the folks who don't like 4E, the ones you might describe as two word posters on the comments section of a pro-4E articles (back when 4E was still being published). It's likely most of them even had reasons they just didn't deign to share. But the reality I have seen regarding the opinions on 4E is very different and very much grounded in the opinions of a lot of people who know quite a bit about RPGs. I'm not saying everyone who will be at the convention this weekend has an opinion. Most simply don't care or know much about 4E. What I am saying the ones who do have an opinion are quite rational indeed. On the other hand, there are people who like the way 4E is designed and will continue to play it for many years to come. I hope they enjoy it and that it brings them many years of fun. I've played dozens and dozens of RPGs in my 40+ years of RPGing, wargaming, card playing, boardgaming, and general tabletop gaming and often gravitate to the games I like better than others, many of which have plenty of flaws not only in the eyes of others but also my own. The next time I get the itch for a Western Gunfighter RPG, I don't even plan to use an RPG but rather Legends of the Old West, a Warhammer Historical series set of mini skirmish combat rules with some skill system of my own devising (or lifted from somewhere) grafted onto it. It won't really be an RPG except in the way we play it but I'll make it work because there is something about the rules I really like. But what I don't need is for many others to like it, nor do I need everyone who doesn't like it to agree that they are being irrational if they don't like it, for me to feel okay about liking it myself. And that's really what you still don't get. You can like things that other people don't like without their not liking it having to be a personal attack on you or what you like. So, really, when you post . . . . . . I have to wonder why you need to believe this, still, and why you can't just let it go and move on already? [/QUOTE]
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