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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7664671" data-attributes="member: 957">I've seen a lot of 4E fans say they are not happy with 5E because it is way too much like 3E, or other reasons that boil down to 5E takes away a lot of the innovations of 4E.  And this is completely fair.But if the mechanics are identical, then everyone who liked 4E should like 5E just as much.If not, then your argument doesn't hold water.The only point on your list that comes even close to addressing anything on my 4E issues list is healing.  And I dislike 5E's RAW healing every bit as much as I dislike healing in 4E.  But 5E is vastly more open to houseruling.  And because the rest of system is not loaded with problems, the effort of houseruling is worthwhile.  It isn't even close to the same.But, as is so typical, your whole case rests on being able to put words in other people's mouths.  You declare a list of things that you approve as the issues other people had with the game, then you shoot down the list that you yourself created.  We discussed numerous issues with 4E back when it mattered.  You have not resolved any of them and not a single one of them appears in my 5E game.And, ultimately, just step back and think about how rational your position sounds.  You are actually stating that there was this vast group of people who didn't have anything they actually disliked about the game and yet hated the game itself "just because".  That is absurd.</blockquote>