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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 7664706" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>I can accept that you think I don't get it, but that I don't want to get it? That's a big and pejorative assumption that isn't at all useful for dialogue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of which I agree with and have said as such, in this very thread as well!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Honestly, Mark, I think it is a mixed bag. I have also spoken to many people who had strong and negative opinions about 4E that was not at all based upon experience, just hearsay. I mean, I hear what you are saying and agree with it to some degree, and thus do think I "get it." I think you are assuming that I am some gung-ho 4E fan, which is strange considering my post on the "three camps" - which presumably you didn't read. One of those camps loves 4E, one hates it (often irrationally), and one tried it, was ambivalent or liked it a bit, but eventually moved on; I consider myself in that third camp. But it seems you are ignoring that second camp - which I think had a strong role in the edition wars through incessant and often nasty (and irrational) bashing of 4E.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're taking one sentence out of context, and out of a larger perspective - in other words, I think you read one line and got upset about it and the made a strawman out of me. Hey, its the internet. But these aren't the droids you are looking for, Mark! Perhaps I should have written "<strong>a large part</strong> of the Edition Wars was due to the irrational hatred of 4E." And I stand by that. You're right, it isn't (necessarily) the "largest part" - but it was a significant factor, at least from the countless threads I've read, and quite a few people I've met. </p><p></p><p>I also think you are subtly and falsely equating the edition wars around 4E and why it wasn't more widely adopted. The two aren't necessarily the same, especially in light of my three camps schema.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 7664706, member: 59082"] I can accept that you think I don't get it, but that I don't want to get it? That's a big and pejorative assumption that isn't at all useful for dialogue. All of which I agree with and have said as such, in this very thread as well! Honestly, Mark, I think it is a mixed bag. I have also spoken to many people who had strong and negative opinions about 4E that was not at all based upon experience, just hearsay. I mean, I hear what you are saying and agree with it to some degree, and thus do think I "get it." I think you are assuming that I am some gung-ho 4E fan, which is strange considering my post on the "three camps" - which presumably you didn't read. One of those camps loves 4E, one hates it (often irrationally), and one tried it, was ambivalent or liked it a bit, but eventually moved on; I consider myself in that third camp. But it seems you are ignoring that second camp - which I think had a strong role in the edition wars through incessant and often nasty (and irrational) bashing of 4E. You're taking one sentence out of context, and out of a larger perspective - in other words, I think you read one line and got upset about it and the made a strawman out of me. Hey, its the internet. But these aren't the droids you are looking for, Mark! Perhaps I should have written "[B]a large part[/B] of the Edition Wars was due to the irrational hatred of 4E." And I stand by that. You're right, it isn't (necessarily) the "largest part" - but it was a significant factor, at least from the countless threads I've read, and quite a few people I've met. I also think you are subtly and falsely equating the edition wars around 4E and why it wasn't more widely adopted. The two aren't necessarily the same, especially in light of my three camps schema. [/QUOTE]
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