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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7665241" data-attributes="member: 48965">This... I think what often gets overlooked in the rush to blame presentation for some/many people's dislike of 4e is that the implementation is often overlooked as a contributing factor.  I know for me, it wasn't that I didn't want fighters to have cool maneuvers or pre-fab abilities... what rubbed me the wrong way was the limiting of certain abiltites at the meta-game level... in other words the structure of AEDU in conjunction with martial "powers".  I find the Battlemaster much more palpable because a specific maneuver is not limited to an exact usage of once per encounter or per day  but instead he has a well of stamina which he draws from and can perform any maneuver he knows as long as that well hasn't been drained.EDIT: In other words I think martial powers in 4e would have been better received by some/many if they had instead said you get X uses of an encounter power per encounter... and it could be any encounter power you knew... ditto for daily powers.  That's not presentation, that's implementation.</blockquote>