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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9715821" data-attributes="member: 5889">Taking in this data, the thing that is always interesting to see is how much time is spent on forums just like this debating levels that don't exist for 95% of games. 11th level is basically 20th for most groups, a level maybe you get to once in a blue moon, and its more of a "maybe one day" fantasy.How often optimizers discuss 6th level spells and high level abilities....but they simply don't matter to the common zeitgeist of the game. Caster vs Martial discussion often talks about high level games....which don't exist in large quantities.Really what the data shows is....this is a 10th level game, not a 20th level one. Basically 11-20th might as well be the epic level handbook for all intensive purposes. Our discussions should focus almost exclusively on 10th level and lower, and leave the high level for that "crazy once in a blue moon kind of gaming"</blockquote>