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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9346591" data-attributes="member: 6778210">Given that they are sectioned off by level and usage, it's actually a lot less. Definitely not more "Session 0 slog", certainly, and for those who don't want to use them they won't.You talk about decision points, but sometimes a lack of options can slow things down because nothing quite fits and you are trying to figure out what works best among a bunch of imperfect options: adding some extra stuff can help in that regard.Have they said it's mandatory? As far as I know it's not, and this feels like we are ripping on them for adding options more than anything. If you want people to play simple stuff, there's nothing that takes that away in this. It just gives options for people who want them.Maybe that's just your group? Like, you still have the option to simplify stuff down, but I find less problems with my groups, especially among the younger players.I mean, maybe that goes back at you? Sometimes "streamlined" doesn't actually always make things faster or better. "Zeal for simplicity" has been a massive problem in the game, especially when it comes to the design of certain classes (like the Fighter).But I think your example of 3E is not necessarily wrong but perhaps misses some of the bigger underlying problems: 3E was terribly balanced and had a great deal of trap builds and long feat-chains. It wasn't that the complexity of 3E was the problem, but rather you were forced to engage in that complexity many times to build a functional character, especially depending on the class. If you balance your stuff out of the gate much better, having more options is less of a problem because "optimization" becomes less of a concern than "What's something cool for my character?"</blockquote>

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