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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9351033" data-attributes="member: 59816">Mmm. I've never seen an "anti-powergamer" who wasn't also a "method actor"-type player, so I'm not sure how you can think of them as opposed to roleplaying. Maybe they don't want to play a "hero"?Sure, but there's a lot of reasons that a person might find themselves doing that - without being the perfect person for the job. Also, the game is already designed (whether you like how it's designed or not) for any PC, no matter how badly built, to be better-than-average at the act of Adventuring.Those are the "good" power gamers, sure. Some just want to be more powerful than the other players, or more powerful than the DM's monsters, or other disruptive stuff. The "bad" ones - which is why they get such a bad rap. While it's perfectly possible (as I noted above) for Power Gamers to Belong, that's not where their bad rap comes from!Those bad apples tend to ruin the bunch, sadly.Mmm. Again, I think that you're missing that most "anti-powergamers" (who barely exist, IME) are probably one of two things: 1) They don't want to play a game of oneupmanship where the DM just winds up throwing tougher monsters at them to make up for their powerful characters; or 2) They want to triumph through adversity or win while being an underdog. Or just play someone who ought not to be there, in the situation they're in.Or they're a jerk. That happens too (though not as often, if only because I don't think that very many people build purposefully "weak" characters).Nah, it's just a different choice.Man, and here there's a LOT of posters who think that D&D is currently stuck on "easy mode" - you make it sound like it's hard to survive without Power Gaming! I really don't think it IS, and yet - I'm not an Anti-Powergamer any more than I'm a Powergamer. Nor do I entirely agree that the game is stuck on easy-mode.Absolutely.Sure, I misspoke above. I meant that it doesn't happen in good faith. Not that no one ever scoffs needlessly at other people's playstyles. That obviously happens far too often.Design Failure? Maybe they just have different priorties to what you're looking for?Did it? I must have missed that. But I believe you.</blockquote>

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