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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9351137" data-attributes="member: 59816">Oh no, I loath method actors. Both as actors and as gamers. I just don't think that they can be accused of "not roleplaying". I think you're overstating how hard it is to avoid getting killed without power gaming.Oh! You mean people that are against power gaming! I thought you were talking about people who engage in reverse-power gaming (like, making terribly weak characters that shouldn't be going on adventures).We have a very different idea of what "perfect for the job" means. I'm speaking of in-world people who are very good at what they do, with little consideration for the specific numbers of the mechanics.Yes, and people with 16s in their prime stats are perfectly capable of doing it. And 16s are considered quite rare and exceptional people in their communities.Okay? I'm losing your train of thought. You're not required to be a power gamer to "take your game seriously" - but I can understand why you'd not like someone "writing (a) screed" against a playstyle that you enjoy.For some reason, I thought you were talking about something else (see above). Though I still question how you get to the idea that someone who doesn't like Power Gaming doesn't like Role Playing. That's just a weird argument to me.It's only one way to take the premise "seriously". I think I follow what you mean by that, and I think that it's fine to do, but it's not really about taking the game seriously. That's a different thing.Yeah, I can see that.Yeah, that kind of anti-any playstyle person sucks.For what?Sure, but the game is about slaying dragons. (Some of the time, anyway).Yeah, I was more speaking about "non-powergamers" not "anti-powergamers" there.Right. I get you now.Agreed. This happens a LOT on these boards - someone posts about enjoying a certain playstyle, and it really, REALLY "sounds" like they are rejecting other playstyles. For instance, it's what YOU sound like you're doing, and I suspect that you think that I'M doing it, when I am no kind of "anti powergamer". Not one bit. I only object to the idea that Power Gamers are Better at the Game (the assertion that I originally commented on). Sure, but this is often done by power gamers in a "metagame" arena - not within the world, but within the books, finding things that might not naturally be in the DM's setting but forcing them in because they exist in the game, and in particular in rare and poorly balanced splattbooks. Look, it absolutely CAN be done in perfectly good faith, I've acknowledged that! But it is done in Bad Faith often enough that there's a lot of backlash against power gamers, sometimes deserved, and other times not.I guess? This is just placing the emphasis on the Meta Game in different places. One is not superior to the other.Mmmm. I'm sure you're right that it sometimes is. Criticizing others for their choices is always bad - but I wouldn't say that it has a direct line to roleplaying like you say. For every power gamer that does it for the roleplaying, like you describe, there are plenty that don't roleplay it at all. My point is not that Power Gamers don't roleplay, but to assert that anyone who doesn't like Power Gaming (whether they qualify as ani-power gamer or not) ALSO doesn't like roleplaying is, IMO, a stretch.Yeah, I mean, I'm not (I'm NEVER) saying that D&D doesn't have problem areas - it's just that our problem areas (whether mine are the same as yours or not) are "bad design" or just "design choices that I don't agree with" is hard to be sure about. It's a very similar problem to playstyles. Do I like my preferred playstyle because it is SUPERIOR or just because I like it? IDK.(For the record, I'm probably most a Storyteller-type player, I am neither a Power Gamer NOR an anti-power-gamer. I like PCs "dialed" to what I would consider about 70%. Neither jacked-up nor weak (nor "Average") I just think that the game runs smoother that way, on both sides of the screen).</blockquote>

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