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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 832390" data-attributes="member: 7211">Kahuna Burger:Sorry I must have missed your thread. As far as your options:1) Sounds tricky, and Im not even sure it would retain its class-ness. Are you fighting a sorceress succubus or just an old succubus?2) This is along the lines I was thinking of. For instance, a tanaraukk has 5d8 of racial hit die. What if he traded his 5d8 for 5d4 and lowered his BAB to +2.5, he could still get skills as an outsider, and would still have outsider saves, but in exchange would have the spellcasting of a 5th level sorc. Keep in mind that the tanarukk is an ECL +8 race, therefore as a 10th level character (a sorceror) under this rule you would have the spellcasting of a 7th level sorc, you would still be 3 levels behind, but at least you wouldnt be 8!(Of course another thing I found amusing about tanarukks along the lines of them having many sorcerors among them was the racial -4 Cha)Tallarn+bret:My above suggestion sort of falls into my argument. Adding 1 level of sorc to a fey'ri rogue is useful, but what about singe-class fey'ri sorcerors, bards, etc. At really high ECLs a single non-spellcaster level is much more useful than a spellcasting level, almost across the board.Take an ECL +10 (lets say) that can already fly, has teleport at will, plane shift at will, and a bevy of other supernatural, extraordinary, and spell-like abilities (along with 3 racial hit die, factored into the ECL) with some nice fat ability score modifiers. It is almost universally NOT helpful to take a spellcasting level in this case. You will get level 1 spells, which racially you can easily match or supersede, and even by sticking with it you wont ever be able to challenge a human mage of your level. Whereas you take a few levels of rogue, and you act much differently as a human rogue, but you are on the same page as him. Maybe his skills are higher, but in this case your racial abilities can make up for it.Ferret:True, but as I said this is not just an issue in the realms. What about in greyhawk where I want to play a centaur character. I have rules to do this now, via Races of Faerun, but it still doesnt make sense for me to start a bard that is 7 levels behind other bards in terms of spellcasting and performing. Technik</blockquote>

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