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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DamionW" data-source="post: 2667921" data-attributes="member: 18649">Morning Thia (OT:  I posted my fire barbarian if you're interested)I understand all this, and for HRing away, I'm all for that.  Coredump, if you just really feel like giving out a -1 Flaming Burst sword, just Rule 0 it, forget the character wealth chart and include it.  If you like the flavor, you like the flavor and that's cool.  However, what I'm seeing here is enough discussion about cost mechanics and different examples to consider this is a regular treasure item and to make it available to players as a purchase alternative to a simple +1 sword.My fundamental question there is, why would this stop at weapons?  If in your campaign world, wizards who make weapons trade off penalties to their users in order to gain specific advantages, why aren't they trying this with every item?  Why are weapons the so special category to have this min/max creation case.If I was a power-gamer in that campaign and saw these -1 flaming burst swords and -4 shocking keen corrosive weapons, I'd start wondering what else I could get away with.  Say I have blindfighting as a feat.  Could I get a set of glasses that blind me but give me a +5 to strike in melee.  Say I'm designed as a big slow bruiser type of fighter.  Could I get a cloak that sticks to me like web and slows me down, but I get a +3 AC bonus?  I might not care if I'm less mobile, but I sure would like the extra AC.  That's what I'm trying to get at.This is exactly the kind of thing I'm getting at.  If there are wizards operating like this, why aren't they flooding the market with actual snake "oils," low cost min-maxed potions that hurt the user, but also have a benefit.  Here's the bottom line:If you decide you're going to allow weapons with both penalties and bonuses that cancel each other out, you have to think of some justification.  It could be an accident in creation, or a reckless wizard, or shortcuts used in making the weapon, or whatever.  Once you have that justification in mind, ask yourself "Why can't this justification be used for all magic items in the world?"  If you don't have an answer, you have a problem, because then there should be tons of these items in all fields of endeavor.</blockquote>

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