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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3736175" data-attributes="member: 326">Hello Jack! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I disagree. The formula I use does not depend on the system, it merely depends on the same (approx.) incremental jump being used for each level. Now I will concede that we don't know if 4E uses the same jump in power each level, but I think its highly likely that it does.If all you need was a Level 16 mob then that would validate what I am suggesting (A 67% increase for indiduals against a five member party to maintain the same degree of challenge).No, but you do need a Level 33 monster to challenge a group of five 20th-level characters to the same extent that five Level 20 monsters would challenge them.However, CR and Level mean two different things, leading to lots of confusion in 3/3.5.e.g. A 20th-level NPC is not as much of a threat as a Balor.In 4th Edition they have scrapped Challenge Rating and simply use Level. In addition, instead of setting up a Challenge Rating to give PCs a moderate encounter using 25% of their resources, instead encounters are being designed to give meaningful challenges at that level...all you do is add a number of monsters (of that level) equal to the number of PCs.So if the Balor is Level 20 in 4E (?), five of them would be a good match for five 20th-level PCs.</blockquote>

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