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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7557432" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>The really short answer is tradition. The slightly longer short answer is that the paladin and the ranger draw upon the concepts of the chivalrous knight in shining armor and the resourceful woodsman. They're their own archetype in our minds.</p><p></p><p>The "magic knight" isn't quite the same. We haven't had decades of gaming to give us a more unified idea of what this is.</p><p></p><p>From a game perspective, the cleric and druid both have features that don't fit on the paladin and ranger. But, 3E did have variant bard, paladin, and rangers as 15 level PrCs, and I really liked them for a while.</p><p></p><p>At the moment, for me, the "magic knight" does not feel like a fully fleshed out class in my mind. I can't envision enough variety within said characters, aside from spell selection, to fit them in my mind as a class and not a multi class or a subclass of another.</p><p></p><p>I'm open to being surprised. The Warlock (one who makes a pact with a non-deific entity for power) has become big enough to feel distinct from a cleric or sorcerer. The Warlord, on the other hand, still feels like it could be handled with Bard or Fighter subclasses to me. </p><p></p><p>What concept does the Swordmage draw upon? I'm eager to hear other's thoughts because I'm struggling to find my own here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7557432, member: 57494"] The really short answer is tradition. The slightly longer short answer is that the paladin and the ranger draw upon the concepts of the chivalrous knight in shining armor and the resourceful woodsman. They're their own archetype in our minds. The "magic knight" isn't quite the same. We haven't had decades of gaming to give us a more unified idea of what this is. From a game perspective, the cleric and druid both have features that don't fit on the paladin and ranger. But, 3E did have variant bard, paladin, and rangers as 15 level PrCs, and I really liked them for a while. At the moment, for me, the "magic knight" does not feel like a fully fleshed out class in my mind. I can't envision enough variety within said characters, aside from spell selection, to fit them in my mind as a class and not a multi class or a subclass of another. I'm open to being surprised. The Warlock (one who makes a pact with a non-deific entity for power) has become big enough to feel distinct from a cleric or sorcerer. The Warlord, on the other hand, still feels like it could be handled with Bard or Fighter subclasses to me. What concept does the Swordmage draw upon? I'm eager to hear other's thoughts because I'm struggling to find my own here. [/QUOTE]
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