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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7557586" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>I'm not ignoring your position, i'm very much trying to confront your position head on. In a game with no Paladin the Lawful Good fighter is the Knight in Shining Armor. If you really feel the need for your knight in shining armor to also have some divine abilities coming from his devotion to his God then a lawful good Fighter/Cleric fulfills that need. As this character levels he grows in fighting ability (like any knight, and this is represented by increasing Fighter Levels) and also in divine abilities due to an ever growing devotion to his God (represented by increasing cleric levels). This Fighter/Cleric perfectly fits the archetype you keep saying it doesn't. </p><p></p><p>I mean isn't that exactly what a paladin is? A knight in shining armor that gets better at both fighting and divine abilities as you increase in level?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A swordmage is all those things you just cited. Ideally the class would be broad enough to represent all those things and each particular flavor would be further defined by the subclass. </p><p></p><p>It's simply impossible to tell you the differences in a Fighter/Wizard and a Swordmage without having a concrete swordmage class we can look at because there's a huge amount of possible implementations all of which could yield different answers to this question you keep asking. It's not that it can't ever be answered but rather that it can't be answered till we actually have a concrete Swordmage class fleshed out with all it's features and subclasses that we can look at.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7557586, member: 6795602"] I'm not ignoring your position, i'm very much trying to confront your position head on. In a game with no Paladin the Lawful Good fighter is the Knight in Shining Armor. If you really feel the need for your knight in shining armor to also have some divine abilities coming from his devotion to his God then a lawful good Fighter/Cleric fulfills that need. As this character levels he grows in fighting ability (like any knight, and this is represented by increasing Fighter Levels) and also in divine abilities due to an ever growing devotion to his God (represented by increasing cleric levels). This Fighter/Cleric perfectly fits the archetype you keep saying it doesn't. I mean isn't that exactly what a paladin is? A knight in shining armor that gets better at both fighting and divine abilities as you increase in level? A swordmage is all those things you just cited. Ideally the class would be broad enough to represent all those things and each particular flavor would be further defined by the subclass. It's simply impossible to tell you the differences in a Fighter/Wizard and a Swordmage without having a concrete swordmage class we can look at because there's a huge amount of possible implementations all of which could yield different answers to this question you keep asking. It's not that it can't ever be answered but rather that it can't be answered till we actually have a concrete Swordmage class fleshed out with all it's features and subclasses that we can look at. [/QUOTE]
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