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<blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 5795187" data-attributes="member: 12460">I suppose the implication was not clear enough. But it did not look like D&amp;D &quot;to me.&quot; To me D&amp;D means Vancian magic, fighters who follow different rules than wizards, exploration and battle that requires more resource management than &quot;how many healing surges do I have left?&quot; and resource management that expands and gets more complex over time (there is an argument that 4e does that last point, but to a much lesser degree than in previous editions in my opinion). That is just &quot;to me.&quot; I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong for liking 4e or that 4e got it wrong for everyone.And hey, I will play anything if that is all there is. If I found myself with a group who only wanted to play Pathfinder, I would play it. Remember that in my OP, I did say that the best game was a game with enthusiastic players. But I certainly have not seen enthusiasm for D&amp;D flourish with the advent of 4e. Maybe it has in some areas, but the sales of Pathfinder over 4e lends credence to my position that 4e players are on the out. And if a system does not excite players, it is hard to enjoy oneself. Almost every 4e game I tried to play was full of lukewarm players who seemed to be playing 4e because it was all they had. Might be a regional thing. But down here in South Texas, Pathfinder is the mainstay of fantasy role-playing right now and 4e is more or less a foot note. But if you are still enthusiastic about 4e and have enthusiastic 4e players, then by all means, stick with it. And maybe 5e will bring people together in some way that has yet to be determined. But I think that is going to mean we get a basic set of rules followed by supplements that mirror respective editions in one form or fashion. Just a guess on my part, but I am having a hard time imagining anything else. So that probably means players who enjoy the &quot;powers supplement&quot; will be players who like 4e while players who enjoy the &quot;Vancian supplement&quot; will be players who like 1e or something like that. I guess we will be finding out soon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="airwalkrr, post: 5795187, member: 12460"] I suppose the implication was not clear enough. But it did not look like D&D "to me." To me D&D means Vancian magic, fighters who follow different rules than wizards, exploration and battle that requires more resource management than "how many healing surges do I have left?" and resource management that expands and gets more complex over time (there is an argument that 4e does that last point, but to a much lesser degree than in previous editions in my opinion). That is just "to me." I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong for liking 4e or that 4e got it wrong for everyone. And hey, I will play anything if that is all there is. If I found myself with a group who only wanted to play Pathfinder, I would play it. Remember that in my OP, I did say that the best game was a game with enthusiastic players. But I certainly have not seen enthusiasm for D&D flourish with the advent of 4e. Maybe it has in some areas, but the sales of Pathfinder over 4e lends credence to my position that 4e players are on the out. And if a system does not excite players, it is hard to enjoy oneself. Almost every 4e game I tried to play was full of lukewarm players who seemed to be playing 4e because it was all they had. Might be a regional thing. But down here in South Texas, Pathfinder is the mainstay of fantasy role-playing right now and 4e is more or less a foot note. But if you are still enthusiastic about 4e and have enthusiastic 4e players, then by all means, stick with it. And maybe 5e will bring people together in some way that has yet to be determined. But I think that is going to mean we get a basic set of rules followed by supplements that mirror respective editions in one form or fashion. Just a guess on my part, but I am having a hard time imagining anything else. So that probably means players who enjoy the "powers supplement" will be players who like 4e while players who enjoy the "Vancian supplement" will be players who like 1e or something like that. I guess we will be finding out soon. [/QUOTE]

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