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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 5641178" data-attributes="member: 29746">Yes, that was my point. Worm That Walks was originally a template in Call of Cthulhu d20, based on a creature from the classic campaign (which we'd call an "adventure path" today) Shadows of Yog-Sothoth. WotC adopted it for the Epic-Level Handbook, and it got used for Kyuss in Age of Worms, so Paizo has experience with it anyway and no doubt wanted to use it again- hence the Pathfinderized version in Bestiary 2.I've never seen Lesser Worm That Walks before this thread. Apparently, though (I discovered after doing a Google search), it started when Elder Evils included Kyuss- since they decided that he was to be called "The Worm That Walks," that meant that any other examples of the breed must necessarily be "lesser." Silly thing to say IMO, but looking in my copy of the book I see that that is exactly what they did- the NPC in that chapter named Edwin Tolstoff is indeed listed as a "Male lesser worm that walks human necromancer 3/cleric 3/true necromancer 10." And he does have a Worm-Smite ability which approximately matches the one Ogangasa Yayst does.So, I'm guessing that somebody took Edwin Tolstoff and used him combined with the ELH to make a "Lesser Worm That Walks" template, since Elder Evils itself doesn't have one (it just has finished stats for Kyuss and Edwin).Anyway, back to the thread subject,- Nookie, have you tried taking out the Lesser Worm That Walks template, and using the PF Bestiary 2 Worm That Walks instead? Just to see how the stats look by comparison? Ogangasa is interesting as-is, but you might find other ideas for how to use "him" if you use the standard template (or mix and match the two).</blockquote>

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