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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8384849" data-attributes="member: 6799660">I always --started in '83 with a BX/BE(of BECMI)/AD&amp;D hybrid -- wondered about the makeup of the saving throw chart. Clearly it had some legacy reason for being as it was. One thing I always found interesting is that there wasn't a save vs. pit traps or other falls -- it either module specific ('PCs have a 2-in-6 chance of falling into the pit if...') or the assumption was that you simply did fall into the pit if and only if you walked into it (it being assumed that you were supposed to have detected the trap before lumbering into it as your resistance mechanism). That, coupled with a lot of deadly cursed magic items which also didn't include a saving throw mechanism (again, the resistance gating being more 'were you foolish enough to try to use it before know what it was?' and 'do you have a nearby ally with the right spell prepared?') lead me to realize that the focus was on resisting special attacks (usually magical ones, although natural poison as well). So I guess I kinda got the 'these are last-ditch attempts to save a character, which should supplement being cautious in general,' but kinda got the reasoning a little different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8384849, member: 6799660"] I always --started in '83 with a BX/BE(of BECMI)/AD&D hybrid -- wondered about the makeup of the saving throw chart. Clearly it had some legacy reason for being as it was. One thing I always found interesting is that there wasn't a save vs. pit traps or other falls -- it either module specific ([I]'PCs have a 2-in-6 chance of falling into the pit if...'[/I]) or the assumption was that you simply [I]did[/I] fall into the pit [I]if and only if[/I] you walked into it (it being assumed that you were supposed to have detected the trap before lumbering into it as your resistance mechanism). That, coupled with a lot of deadly cursed magic items which also didn't include a saving throw mechanism (again, the resistance gating being more 'were you foolish enough to try to use it before know what it was?' and 'do you have a nearby ally with the right spell prepared?') lead me to realize that the focus was on resisting special attacks (usually magical ones, although natural poison as well). So I guess I kinda got the 'these are last-ditch attempts to save a character, which should supplement being cautious in general,' but kinda got the reasoning a little different. [/QUOTE]

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