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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 8104640" data-attributes="member: 59816"><p>The way I see it, this is all about exaggeration: </p><p></p><p>1) The "two years of winter" by Icewind Dale reckoning is "two years where the passes didn't fully clear" (in other words, there was still summer, just crappy summers).</p><p>2) The "average temperature is -49 F is listed under "Extreme Cold Hazards" or in other words, NOT THE ACTUAL AVERAGE across the land, all year long. It's just how bad it can get, on average, in a cold region, at a cold time of year, in a dangerous spot. Mighty cold, to be sure.</p><p>3) The "no daylight for two years" is also exaggerated. It's been getting increasingly dark, sure, and lately the sun hasn't come out at all, but there's still a twilight-like midday. How long has this been going on? The last nice full summer day that anyone can remember might have been two years ago, if anyone's memory can be fully trusted, but it hasn't been dark for two whole years. That's just silly.</p><p></p><p>It's been getting worse for two years, to the point where it is now, but it hasn't been THIS BAD for the whole two years.</p><p></p><p>Not only is that how I would play it, but I also believe it's how the designers probably meant for it it be, but they did a bad job of making that clear. But then, so what else is new? There's always little things like that in adventures. I honestly think that Icewind Dale is one of (if not THE) best adventures that WotC has written.</p><p></p><p>I absolutely agree that the idea that Icewind Dale has been a dark winter with temperatures averaging -49 F for a whole two years, unchanged, would be terrible and everyone would be dead, but I don't think the adventure really means to say that (I agree that it DOES, technically say those things, but I don't think they probably meant to, and even if they did, it was only because they didn't think it all the way through).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 8104640, member: 59816"] The way I see it, this is all about exaggeration: 1) The "two years of winter" by Icewind Dale reckoning is "two years where the passes didn't fully clear" (in other words, there was still summer, just crappy summers). 2) The "average temperature is -49 F is listed under "Extreme Cold Hazards" or in other words, NOT THE ACTUAL AVERAGE across the land, all year long. It's just how bad it can get, on average, in a cold region, at a cold time of year, in a dangerous spot. Mighty cold, to be sure. 3) The "no daylight for two years" is also exaggerated. It's been getting increasingly dark, sure, and lately the sun hasn't come out at all, but there's still a twilight-like midday. How long has this been going on? The last nice full summer day that anyone can remember might have been two years ago, if anyone's memory can be fully trusted, but it hasn't been dark for two whole years. That's just silly. It's been getting worse for two years, to the point where it is now, but it hasn't been THIS BAD for the whole two years. Not only is that how I would play it, but I also believe it's how the designers probably meant for it it be, but they did a bad job of making that clear. But then, so what else is new? There's always little things like that in adventures. I honestly think that Icewind Dale is one of (if not THE) best adventures that WotC has written. I absolutely agree that the idea that Icewind Dale has been a dark winter with temperatures averaging -49 F for a whole two years, unchanged, would be terrible and everyone would be dead, but I don't think the adventure really means to say that (I agree that it DOES, technically say those things, but I don't think they probably meant to, and even if they did, it was only because they didn't think it all the way through). [/QUOTE]
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