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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8105312" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>This is a bit meaningless. D&D isn't GoT, and GoT isn't D&D. That both are popular in different markets doesn't make them alike. Adding an argument ad populum (it's popular so it's right), isn't a good response. WHY is GoT popular? It's not for years long winters, so that's not why this module did the thing.</p><p></p><p>Nope. I'd like an explanation that makes 2+ years of dark and winter cold make sense, but it doesn't have to have a darned thing to do with science or the real world. I play pretend elf games because I like pretend elf games, and I'm not super keen on being scientifically accurate. However, when a module describes the sun not rising above the horizon, and also says that plants and animals need sunlight to survive, then I'd like to hear how they've already survived two years of not getting any. They set that up, not me.</p><p></p><p>Again, you're strawmanning me, and I'd appreciate you stop inventing my arguments. I've been clear, a few times, that I'd be happy with an attempt to explain it, but none exist. I don't need a treatise, or a scientific argument, I'd like to have a reason why things that need light and can't get by on a few hours of twilight a day have managed to do so for more than two years. They set up this premise, I didn't, and expecting it to hang in a bit is good.</p><p></p><p>And, I'm perfectly fine that you might not care. But, by not caring, you've conceded that you wouldn't care if there was an explanation. You're not defending more than two years of winter and dark as necessary to any part of the adventure, or haven't yet. So, sure, you don't care -- why are you arguing for it, then?</p><p></p><p>Yeah, someone on the internet had a problem that they both spoke about and provided a solution for, but it needs to be shown up because it used the word "rant" instead of "help me figure this out." Color me skeptical that this thread would have gone much differently if it had a thread title more acceptable to you.</p><p></p><p>And, you're confusing to separate arguments here -- the issue with the premise of the adventure and people who want to bash on WotC. These things are correlated, yes, but one is not necessary to the other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8105312, member: 16814"] This is a bit meaningless. D&D isn't GoT, and GoT isn't D&D. That both are popular in different markets doesn't make them alike. Adding an argument ad populum (it's popular so it's right), isn't a good response. WHY is GoT popular? It's not for years long winters, so that's not why this module did the thing. Nope. I'd like an explanation that makes 2+ years of dark and winter cold make sense, but it doesn't have to have a darned thing to do with science or the real world. I play pretend elf games because I like pretend elf games, and I'm not super keen on being scientifically accurate. However, when a module describes the sun not rising above the horizon, and also says that plants and animals need sunlight to survive, then I'd like to hear how they've already survived two years of not getting any. They set that up, not me. Again, you're strawmanning me, and I'd appreciate you stop inventing my arguments. I've been clear, a few times, that I'd be happy with an attempt to explain it, but none exist. I don't need a treatise, or a scientific argument, I'd like to have a reason why things that need light and can't get by on a few hours of twilight a day have managed to do so for more than two years. They set up this premise, I didn't, and expecting it to hang in a bit is good. And, I'm perfectly fine that you might not care. But, by not caring, you've conceded that you wouldn't care if there was an explanation. You're not defending more than two years of winter and dark as necessary to any part of the adventure, or haven't yet. So, sure, you don't care -- why are you arguing for it, then? Yeah, someone on the internet had a problem that they both spoke about and provided a solution for, but it needs to be shown up because it used the word "rant" instead of "help me figure this out." Color me skeptical that this thread would have gone much differently if it had a thread title more acceptable to you. And, you're confusing to separate arguments here -- the issue with the premise of the adventure and people who want to bash on WotC. These things are correlated, yes, but one is not necessary to the other. [/QUOTE]
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