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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8105770" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Okay. </p><p></p><p>Why? Why do Noble Families matter at all in the setting? Why is there still a political ruling class seperate from the Churches? </p><p></p><p>Let me explain.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Traditionally, the Nobility of the past held control through three methods. They held the land that the peasants worked to make food. They had the biggest armies. They made the most money. Those were the big things. </p><p></p><p>But, immediately, the Churches in DnD pose a problem to this. </p><p></p><p>If we accept that there is a lack of farmland because the Churches use their magic to subsidize crop growth, then the land owner aspect of nobility is contingent upon the Churches. The Nobles can't produce enough food without the aid of the churches. </p><p></p><p>Well, the Nobles still have their armies right? Except, the other part of the proposed plot-hole filling was that the Armies still exist because the Churches heal the soldiers and keep them alive. Compound that with the Churches of course having Clerics and Paladins who are incredibly fighting forces on their own, and the Nobility is actually the weak link in the military forces.</p><p></p><p>And, I want to aside, that Churches can overcome this problem even in our world. The Holy Roman Empire was a country run by the Catholic Church. Which is particularly notable considering their is also a dislike of material wealth. Which is not a thing in pretty much any DnD religion. </p><p></p><p>In fact, Waukeen is the FR Goddess of Wealth and Trade. All of that wealth that Nobles would have? Gathering and distributing that wealth is the entire point of her worship. </p><p></p><p>Which brings us back to your point, because you phrased it in an interesting way. You keep referring it to as a "struggle" between multiple churches. Do you remember who else struggles for resources and against other equally powerful forces?</p><p></p><p>Noble Houses.</p><p>City-States</p><p>Countries. </p><p></p><p>So, saying that the Nobles would not only rise to power, but hold onto that power, when all of their normal avenues of control are either dependent on the churches, or something the churches can do equally well... I don't see it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, yes, but while the gods are competing, they are not in active war wit each other. </p><p></p><p>And a lot of them are competing for total worshipers, but not types of worshipers. The God of War does not really want the Farmers who worship the Goddess of Agriculture. He wants more soldiers, generals, and the like. So, you could have a stratified society, one where children are pressured to join various churches, and the churches compete, but they still run the country and protect the people. Because you can't have worshipers if everyone is dead.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8105770, member: 6801228"] Okay. Why? Why do Noble Families matter at all in the setting? Why is there still a political ruling class seperate from the Churches? Let me explain. Traditionally, the Nobility of the past held control through three methods. They held the land that the peasants worked to make food. They had the biggest armies. They made the most money. Those were the big things. But, immediately, the Churches in DnD pose a problem to this. If we accept that there is a lack of farmland because the Churches use their magic to subsidize crop growth, then the land owner aspect of nobility is contingent upon the Churches. The Nobles can't produce enough food without the aid of the churches. Well, the Nobles still have their armies right? Except, the other part of the proposed plot-hole filling was that the Armies still exist because the Churches heal the soldiers and keep them alive. Compound that with the Churches of course having Clerics and Paladins who are incredibly fighting forces on their own, and the Nobility is actually the weak link in the military forces. And, I want to aside, that Churches can overcome this problem even in our world. The Holy Roman Empire was a country run by the Catholic Church. Which is particularly notable considering their is also a dislike of material wealth. Which is not a thing in pretty much any DnD religion. In fact, Waukeen is the FR Goddess of Wealth and Trade. All of that wealth that Nobles would have? Gathering and distributing that wealth is the entire point of her worship. Which brings us back to your point, because you phrased it in an interesting way. You keep referring it to as a "struggle" between multiple churches. Do you remember who else struggles for resources and against other equally powerful forces? Noble Houses. City-States Countries. So, saying that the Nobles would not only rise to power, but hold onto that power, when all of their normal avenues of control are either dependent on the churches, or something the churches can do equally well... I don't see it. Well, yes, but while the gods are competing, they are not in active war wit each other. And a lot of them are competing for total worshipers, but not types of worshipers. The God of War does not really want the Farmers who worship the Goddess of Agriculture. He wants more soldiers, generals, and the like. So, you could have a stratified society, one where children are pressured to join various churches, and the churches compete, but they still run the country and protect the people. Because you can't have worshipers if everyone is dead. [/QUOTE]
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