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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8109502" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>When it comes to this topic there are things we know, things we know, things we don't know and how to deal with it.</p><p></p><p>We don't know</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What the effect would be on plant life that goes dormant for the winter. Unlike hibernating mammals (really?) plants don't have much if any metabolic activity while dormant. Seeds can be dormant for at least 2,000 years(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_viable_seed" target="_blank">1</a>). </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Whether or not the current situation is indeed exactly what's been happening for 2 years. We know the sun doesn't rise <em>now</em>, but has it always been that bad or did it just not rise very far last year? AFAIK the mod doesn't specify.</li> </ul><p>We know</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Auril has cursed the land and is plunging it into never ending winter. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some of the text may be somewhat contradictory (I haven't read it).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Populated areas have survived years of failed crops, sometimes multiple years of failed crops. I would assume that the same regional effects are going to be affecting wildlife as well.</li> </ul><p>How to deal with it</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Throw the book out (if you've even read it) because it's total BS. A book based on fantasy fiction should be scientifically accurate (without studies or facts to back up what the science would be). </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Endlessly, repeatedly post about how awful it is that a mod like this gets published. If you do offer advice state it in terms of "They should have included <em>these </em>options".</li> </ul><p>or</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Admit you have no clue when it comes to the impact of an extended winter this bad because it's never happened in recorded history, and no, you are not an expert on the topic.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Accept that the mod has perceived flaws. Maybe they should have included some options, but they did not so acknowledge that complaining will not change a thing. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Offer advice on how to adjust it to be more enjoyable while still giving the same feeling of "if this is not fixed soon we're all doomed". </li> </ul><p>What's funny is that I did a quick google for reviews. I stopped after 3 because the conclusions were similar. "<em>Rime of the Frostmaiden is well worth the trouble.</em>" "<em>It’s a book I’ll definitely be using in future campaigns.</em>" "<em>The first half of Rime of the Frost Maiden is good, and the second half is great. But the final exploration of [ISPOILER]Ythryn [/ISPOILER]is spectacular.</em>"</p><p></p><p>Not a single mention of the "glaring immersion breaking issue" of how long the winter has lasted. Almost like it's something people won't notice, will gloss over, or just accept it because it's a fantasy world. Where have I seen someone say that before? Oh, right, I did a long time ago. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure :unsure:" data-smilie="24"data-shortname=":unsure:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8109502, member: 6801845"] When it comes to this topic there are things we know, things we know, things we don't know and how to deal with it. We don't know [LIST] [*]What the effect would be on plant life that goes dormant for the winter. Unlike hibernating mammals (really?) plants don't have much if any metabolic activity while dormant. Seeds can be dormant for at least 2,000 years([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_viable_seed']1[/URL]). [*]Whether or not the current situation is indeed exactly what's been happening for 2 years. We know the sun doesn't rise [I]now[/I], but has it always been that bad or did it just not rise very far last year? AFAIK the mod doesn't specify. [/LIST] We know [LIST] [*]Auril has cursed the land and is plunging it into never ending winter. [*]Some of the text may be somewhat contradictory (I haven't read it). [*]Populated areas have survived years of failed crops, sometimes multiple years of failed crops. I would assume that the same regional effects are going to be affecting wildlife as well. [/LIST] How to deal with it [LIST] [*]Throw the book out (if you've even read it) because it's total BS. A book based on fantasy fiction should be scientifically accurate (without studies or facts to back up what the science would be). [*]Endlessly, repeatedly post about how awful it is that a mod like this gets published. If you do offer advice state it in terms of "They should have included [I]these [/I]options". [/LIST] or [LIST] [*]Admit you have no clue when it comes to the impact of an extended winter this bad because it's never happened in recorded history, and no, you are not an expert on the topic. [*]Accept that the mod has perceived flaws. Maybe they should have included some options, but they did not so acknowledge that complaining will not change a thing. [*]Offer advice on how to adjust it to be more enjoyable while still giving the same feeling of "if this is not fixed soon we're all doomed". [/LIST] What's funny is that I did a quick google for reviews. I stopped after 3 because the conclusions were similar. "[I]Rime of the Frostmaiden is well worth the trouble.[/I]" "[I]It’s a book I’ll definitely be using in future campaigns.[/I]" "[I]The first half of Rime of the Frost Maiden is good, and the second half is great. But the final exploration of [ISPOILER]Ythryn [/ISPOILER]is spectacular.[/I]" Not a single mention of the "glaring immersion breaking issue" of how long the winter has lasted. Almost like it's something people won't notice, will gloss over, or just accept it because it's a fantasy world. Where have I seen someone say that before? Oh, right, I did a long time ago. :unsure: [/QUOTE]
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