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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 5998704" data-attributes="member: 6689464">You could have saved time by saying you simply don't want those as classes, but I guess to each their own.Bard: It should be awesome, like the 4e bard but feeling truly musical and able to hold a rapier. Bards should have access to songs/performances as small at-will effects or encounter-like effects (song of courage, song of rest, etc), we will also need perform skills for bards to feel truly like bards (no more musical instruments that are glorified fluff or sub optimal implements, a bard with a lute has to be and feel awesome, magical musical instruments should allow others to emulate what a bard can do by hismself). Bards truly have to shine in the social pillar, if a warlock or rogue consistently outshines a bard on social interactions, then something is very wrong. Bards will also need some kind of scalable class feature that affects the way they spellcast or if they spellcast at all, in that way we get the Arcane dabbler bard (preppared vancian spellcaster), the skald (no spellcasting, but some martial maneuvers instead), the celtic bard (more similar to the druid),&nbsp; and the visceral caster from 3.x (non vancian).will post later my ideas on the paladin and the ranger.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 5998704, member: 6689464"] You could have saved time by saying you simply don't want those as classes, but I guess to each their own. Bard: It should be awesome, like the 4e bard but feeling truly musical and able to hold a rapier. Bards should have access to songs/performances as small at-will effects or encounter-like effects (song of courage, song of rest, etc), we will also need perform skills for bards to feel truly like bards (no more musical instruments that are glorified fluff or sub optimal implements, a bard with a lute has to be and feel awesome, magical musical instruments should allow others to emulate what a bard can do by hismself). Bards truly have to shine in the social pillar, if a warlock or rogue consistently outshines a bard on social interactions, then something is very wrong. Bards will also need some kind of scalable class feature that affects the way they spellcast or if they spellcast at all, in that way we get the Arcane dabbler bard (preppared vancian spellcaster), the skald (no spellcasting, but some martial maneuvers instead), the celtic bard (more similar to the druid), and the visceral caster from 3.x (non vancian). will post later my ideas on the paladin and the ranger. [/QUOTE]

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