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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kinak" data-source="post: 5916435" data-attributes="member: 6694112">I feel like the concept of "martial champion of the gods" is already largely covered by clerics. They're based on a lot of the same sources as D&D paladins, so there's always going to be some unfortunate overlap.Here's what I'd do:Include unarmored priests. So far so good.Merge clerics and paladins into one champion class that's centered around what they're a champion of, like the priests are centered around who they worship.Don't even pretend the Codes have anything to do with alignment. Half the problems with paladins are because people don't agree what lawful good is. Spell out what they're about in the Code.Include a paladin's code option, along with codes for some gods and possibly an example option for championing a ruler. Call out the Codes as not being appropriate power sources for every game, like gods, and that you could check with your DM.Why all that:By making a champion class as a "container," you leave a tremendous amount of latitude for customization based on setting. Paladins aren't really appropriate for Dark Sun, but Champions of the Sorcerer Kings? Hell yes. Should being a knighted champion of a blooded ruler in Birthright give you sweet powers? I'd say so. Could my old homebrew world use a quick mechanical implementation for competing orders of knights? Absolutely.And it gives paladin player (and their GMs) one place to look for what being a paladin is about. By taking out the "lawful good and..." you put the focus back on the code where it belongs.Cheers!Kinak</blockquote>

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