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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 3956802" data-attributes="member: 33560">no SR is kinda cute I suppose...But the sacrifice required to gain it is way too high.If your 5d6(or even 14d6) damage is making a serious impact on the combat at 18th level, then the melee people in your group are using  cursed -5 nerf bats...and possibly maxed out improved combat expertise <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I mean comeon.   Trade a wish/timestop/quickened 5th level spell/temporal stasis/shapechange/meteorswarm/Chained Greater Dispel or whatever other nastyness you can come up with for 14d6 once with no SR?  Thats crazy talk.  OK, maybe not crazy, but certainly an sub-optimal choice.BTW, sorry to kind of derail the OP's question. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />   I've been in kind of a mood the last couple days.I cannot for the life of me decide what to play for an Age of Wyrms campagn that's starting in a couple weeks!  It's driving me bonkers!</blockquote>