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<blockquote data-quote="Imre" data-source="post: 3418773" data-attributes="member: 36183">I should have put a more obvious segue, but everything I said in my last comment after the first sentence was directed at shilsen.Redfox, I disagree with you a bit.&nbsp; It's funny you should mention the centaur because I had a very bad experience with just that.&nbsp; In UA, the justification given for the LA buy out is that at higher levels of play, much of what you get for LA becomes worthless, or at least much less valuable.&nbsp; However, for a combat build, the Str and Con boost, the boost in speed, and large size you get from being a centaur never becomes less valuable.&nbsp; When you buy off the LA, you end up advancing faster (being lower level) and this can become unbalancing.&nbsp; The fact is that the ECL system as it is is not a science...in point of fact it's completely worthless for high level/high LA builds.&nbsp; As the DM you have to look very hard at what the player's are getting.&nbsp; There are no &quot;quick and dirty&quot; ways to fix this, in my opinion: everything has to be determined on a case by case basis and much of it depends on the overall style of the campaign and play.&nbsp; I've yet to come up with or come across a system that managed to fix all the issues.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imre, post: 3418773, member: 36183"] I should have put a more obvious segue, but everything I said in my last comment after the first sentence was directed at shilsen. Redfox, I disagree with you a bit. It's funny you should mention the centaur because I had a very bad experience with just that. In UA, the justification given for the LA buy out is that at higher levels of play, much of what you get for LA becomes worthless, or at least much less valuable. However, for a combat build, the Str and Con boost, the boost in speed, and large size you get from being a centaur never becomes less valuable. When you buy off the LA, you end up advancing faster (being lower level) and this can become unbalancing. The fact is that the ECL system as it is is not a science...in point of fact it's completely worthless for high level/high LA builds. As the DM you have to look very hard at what the player's are getting. There are no "quick and dirty" ways to fix this, in my opinion: everything has to be determined on a case by case basis and much of it depends on the overall style of the campaign and play. I've yet to come up with or come across a system that managed to fix all the issues. [/QUOTE]

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