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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9815963" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Here is the description of Rage from the intro to Barbarian in the current PHB:</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'm not sure that "rage" is still the best term for what WotC is describing here, especially given that they also call it "primal power" later in the class description. On the other hand, "I would like to rage!" is iconic so I get why they chose to keep the word rather than rebranding it like they did with monk's Ki. "I would like to use primal power!"...nah, not as good.</p><p></p><p>But arguing about whether or not Rage would help you stealth or whatever is kind of ignoring how they specifically define Rage for the 2024 barbarian. Note, for example, that they link it to a predator's ferocity, so in terms of stealth I think you are meant to think of a tiger stalking prey.</p><p></p><p>Incidentally, Rage is not linked to reckless attacks; you can do those whether or not you choose to use Rage.</p><p></p><p>Setting semantics aside, the 2024 barbarian is better than the 2014 one and still a good class, but because other classes improved more (monk, in a somewhat similar niche, for example, not to mention fighters) they've probably slipped back in my personal tier rankings, at least at higher levels. They're still amazing in Tier 1 play but overall I now consider them weaker than fighters, monks, and paladins when considering frontline warriors (and yes, monks can now be considered a frontline warrior, if they want to be, as well as the best skirmisher). They definitely do suffer most from mobs, especially at mid-tier and above, typically doing an additional damage type on top of B/P/S and thus bypassing the damage reduction offered by rage.</p><p></p><p>At least berserker barbarian still maths out as the best damage dealer in the game, last time I checked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9815963, member: 7035894"] Here is the description of Rage from the intro to Barbarian in the current PHB: Personally, I'm not sure that "rage" is still the best term for what WotC is describing here, especially given that they also call it "primal power" later in the class description. On the other hand, "I would like to rage!" is iconic so I get why they chose to keep the word rather than rebranding it like they did with monk's Ki. "I would like to use primal power!"...nah, not as good. But arguing about whether or not Rage would help you stealth or whatever is kind of ignoring how they specifically define Rage for the 2024 barbarian. Note, for example, that they link it to a predator's ferocity, so in terms of stealth I think you are meant to think of a tiger stalking prey. Incidentally, Rage is not linked to reckless attacks; you can do those whether or not you choose to use Rage. Setting semantics aside, the 2024 barbarian is better than the 2014 one and still a good class, but because other classes improved more (monk, in a somewhat similar niche, for example, not to mention fighters) they've probably slipped back in my personal tier rankings, at least at higher levels. They're still amazing in Tier 1 play but overall I now consider them weaker than fighters, monks, and paladins when considering frontline warriors (and yes, monks can now be considered a frontline warrior, if they want to be, as well as the best skirmisher). They definitely do suffer most from mobs, especially at mid-tier and above, typically doing an additional damage type on top of B/P/S and thus bypassing the damage reduction offered by rage. At least berserker barbarian still maths out as the best damage dealer in the game, last time I checked. [/QUOTE]
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