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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 9820955" data-attributes="member: 6932123">I can't believe it never occurred to me before, but yeah, this helps define what I think "should" be the way to view subclasses.There has been lots of arguing about moving the subclasses to level 3, and what that means for, for example, a Fiend Patron warlock to not actually choose a patron until level 3. How is he a warlock until that point?  The answer is that the subclass has already been chosen, he just hasn't unlocked any of the "feat chain" benefits yet.Similar for sorcerer (which is another class where the failure to specialize at 1st level really bugged me). A Draconic sorcerer has always been a Draconic sorcerer. She wasn't some amorphous sorcerer-like 'thing' before level 3, when she actually chose to settle on certain Draconic benefits. She just hadn't yet solidified the power into something concrete that could manifest outwardly.A Champion fighter and an Eldritch Knight fighter will not be built the same way at level 1. That difference will be because the player intends to take a particular subclass when it's available, but in truth the character is already a Champion or Eldritch Knight in the making, just from taking up the sword to become an actual classed (fighter) individual. Level 3 is just when those specific benefits manifest, showing the fruits of the player's work to embody that subclass.Adding a level 1 ribbon feature for subclasses would be a nice touch, though, just to show what path you're on.</blockquote>

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