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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8669637" data-attributes="member: 6788736">I dont care about 'magic or support abilities' (and Battlemasters do get support abilities). They're not relevant to my ability to function in the three pillars.This is 5E. A +11.5 to a skill check at 4th level, is a little beyond 'vaguely impressive'.Yes they can do that. With an investment of two invocations (so both of them) at 4th level (so needing a Feat for AB as well), with the pact of the Chain and a familiar that can shape change.The Fighter is still far better at Persuasion (and insight) - so on the same tier - while also having more HP, a better AC, and deals a lot more damage.That's not just the focus. He can also intimidate (with a huge bonus) and has insight (with a huge bonus) and his background feature, and soon (a few levels) will be able to literally assess the level and HP and strength of an opponent, just by looking at them.So he dominates the combat pillar, and is no slouch (among the top tier) in the Social pillar.Note, I havent even used one of his Bonus Feats yet. I've made him a top tier social class by giving him a +1 Stat Half feat, and using 2 of his maneuver choices (of which he has 4).For 3 invocations at this level, your Warlock above has also had to blow a feat, his Pact boon (but it can also be used for Scouting) and 2/3 of his available invocations.Seriously, lets meet in the middle here. Are they really that wildly outlcassing each other? The Fighter wins in the Combat pillar, the Warlock is the better scout, the Fighter dominates the Social pillar, and the Warlock has a few tricks and utility from cantrips, maybe a spell (that isnt being used on Hex, so as not to be hopelessly outclassed by the Fighter in combat).To me they seem to even out here, with the advantage going to the above Fighter.</blockquote>

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