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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8669652" data-attributes="member: 63508">Half the issue is that fighters don't get any noncombat features outside of subclass but feats.And feats don't all scale. Most are Tier 1 and don't scale. WOTC is now testing feat trees. So in the fiction where a noble or knight fighter should be the party face, a sorcerer, paladin, or warlock who isn't even focused on the role does it better. And forget about the bard or rogue. So your knight or noble is out-faced instant if 4 classes even sit in your party or if 5 other classes mildly nudge to social pillar. So most players does even attempt it. "Charisma class in the party. Might as well not get into social. Maybe I can take a INT skill or WIS skill that the priest class doesn't take. Maybe if there are no wizards or artificers, I can be the highest in knowledge skill or 2"This is where skill challenges variant rules shone. By making exploration and social contest multiple rolls, it was beneficial to have multiple PCs with redundant skills.</blockquote>