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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8669693" data-attributes="member: 87792">They absolutely are relevant to how effective you are in the three pillars. You can be functional without them - but not top tier.One of the invocations I mentioned was Agonizing Blast - which has no out of combat use at all and I mentioned to point out that I'm not needing to spend everything on the pillar.Nope. I only have one other invocationYup. It's a good pact, especially in the exploration pillar.No. You've spent one of his core feats on Skill Expert. Ok, so that's only half a feat because it. You haven't spent any bonus feats because he doesn't have any bonus feats because it has a +1 ASI attached. But you have literally spent half the feats he gets from being a fighter on skills. And in doing so you have made his getting STR 18 at level 4 with either point buy or the standard array impossible. So at the point you've snapshotted you've more or less given up the entire combat potential of the only class based feat you have.Of course what allows you to do this is the sleight of hand of picking Vuman and then having your race take the fighter feat...The fighter had a massive subclass in Tasha's which you have taken full advantage of. The three subclasses that have come out either in or after Tasha's (Psi Warrior, Rune Knight, Echo Knight) have decent non-combat options and you are leaning exclusively on non- combat Tasha's battlemaster abilities. For both builds.And as I've said in the past one of the most significant ways Tasha's improves the game is that it makes its fighter subclasses something other than commoners out of combat. Including the Battlemaster.No. That's the point I was making. You've just invested a whole lot more here. I've invested one invocation, a pact boon, and making charisma my best stat. I haven't even looked at spells (invisibility will be one and is a multi-pillar spell) or the subclass.The thing is the longer this goes on the further behind the fighter will fall. I don't think anyone thinks that fighters have serious problems bin Tier 1</blockquote>

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