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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8670097" data-attributes="member: 87792">You know what turns threads into threads? People taking the opposite side. Your admittedly relatively decent attempts to show that if you dump a large amount of optional resources into the social skills of a fighter and make extensive use of what is the most controversial splatbook in official 5e (Tasha's) you can have a character with social depth but that can't match the breadth of a spellcaster that isn't trying hard have probably added two or three pages to this thread on their own.Having the same group of people trying to defend the arrant nonsense that is the proposition that the fighter is not significantly behind just about every single other class except the barbarian in both the social and exploration pillar (unless you pick one of the three and a half* post-Tasha's subclasses, counting the Battlemaster as the half) for about seven years is what make the threads go long rather than get declared a very cold take. Now I can understand defending the indefensible because you enjoy arguing; in the past I've defended the proposition that water isn't wet (it's only some things that come into contact with water that are wet). But the simple fact of the matter is that the fighter base class has literally the minimum possible out of combat ability from the intersection of all 5e classes. It has the fewest skills of any class - and gets nothing else to help out of combat. I think all of the pre-Tasha's non-Eldritch Knight subclasses (including the pre-Tasha's battlemaster) although it might just be almost all have a minor out of combat ability (normally at level seven) and that's about it; yes the Banneret has possibly the strongest of these abilities with Persuasion Expertise.Ultimately your two builds are an excellent work of practical character optimisation and pushing the limits of what can be done with the 5e fighter when you know the source material well. But pretending they are in any way representative or that in any way they come without a significant cost in terms of feats is deceptive. As for that matter is pretending that they are dominant builds just because they can put down one  or two big numbers.So disengage. When I was a participant in the edition wars what made me keep going was the volume of stone cold lies and backed by utter nonsense and very occasional valid points deployed by the h4ters. There are, so far as I can tell no lies in the critiques of 5e fighters.If you're tired (and I too would be tired if I had my points routinely demolished) why do you keep coming into these threads to defend an indefensible position? No one is forcing you to keep them going.</blockquote>

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