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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8671195" data-attributes="member: 67338">having the button somewhere that it is easy to push (I don't really know if it is or just a made up scenario) IS a problem and you should be able (and in most non D&amp;D circles you couldexcept that is the problem we have... our game locks upno I don't...We had to come to out of game agreements to not out do martial characters... and it ended up (in every non 4e edition) that after a while every just played casters...my last 3 campaigns run we have had 4 players, 6 players, and 3 players (1 person over laps all 3 and 2 of the 4 were in the 6) we have had 0 non multiclass fighters.&nbsp; I have 4 of these people who WANT to play fighters and have instead gotten to play sword bard, hexblade and hexblade/paliden/bard.'13 characters at character creation (4 starting at 5th and 9 starting at 3rd) I did have 1 person in the starting at 5th level start with 3 levels of fighter (eldritch knight) and 2 levels of wizard (bladesinger) but he never went back to fighter.&nbsp; now we have a slightly higher rate of death then most talk about on here, so we had 3 redo characters and the 3 person game gained a 4th... of those 7 characters 0 had fighter at all.not once did we miss out on the fighter mechanics... but we DID miss out on the fighter fluff. INfact the #1 request is to play a bard and refluff it as nonmagical so they can play a fighter and have cool options...our game is broken we have 3 classes no one ever ues except to multi,,, our request is simple, make those classes better OR make new classeslike them with options</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8671195, member: 67338"] having the button somewhere that it is easy to push (I don't really know if it is or just a made up scenario) IS a problem and you should be able (and in most non D&D circles you could except that is the problem we have... our game locks up no I don't... We had to come to out of game agreements to not out do martial characters... and it ended up (in every non 4e edition) that after a while every just played casters... my last 3 campaigns run we have had 4 players, 6 players, and 3 players (1 person over laps all 3 and 2 of the 4 were in the 6) we have had 0 non multiclass fighters. I have 4 of these people who WANT to play fighters and have instead gotten to play sword bard, hexblade and hexblade/paliden/bard.' 13 characters at character creation (4 starting at 5th and 9 starting at 3rd) I did have 1 person in the starting at 5th level start with 3 levels of fighter (eldritch knight) and 2 levels of wizard (bladesinger) but he never went back to fighter. now we have a slightly higher rate of death then most talk about on here, so we had 3 redo characters and the 3 person game gained a 4th... of those 7 characters 0 had fighter at all. not once did we miss out on the fighter mechanics... but we DID miss out on the fighter fluff. INfact the #1 request is to play a bard and refluff it as nonmagical so they can play a fighter and have cool options... our game is broken we have 3 classes no one ever ues except to multi,,, our request is simple, make those classes better OR make new classeslike them with options [/QUOTE]

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