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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8672260" data-attributes="member: 87792">And where exactly has someone claimed that you can't take Persuasion as a Fighter? I'm interested to see any posts.And who has said that fighters &quot;must not be &quot;outshined&quot; by Bards&quot; in the social pillar? I'm interested to see posts.And who has said all fighters are hobo bums? I'm interested to see posts.Or is it literally impossible for a fighter to be a hobo bum? Because my bringing up that fighters might be that was a rebuttal to <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/a-critique-and-review-of-the-fighter-class.689325/page-19#post-8672158" target="_blank">your attempt at special pleading</a> by assigning the role of hero to the fighter and wandering minstrel with no means of support other than what they can persuade people to give them to the bard. I pointed out that we can easily reverse those roles. There is nothing inherent in the fighter that means they will be a hero and the bard won't. (But there are things the bard can do to help that the fighter can't).Please stop with the strawmen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8672260, member: 87792"] And where exactly has someone claimed that you can't take Persuasion as a Fighter? I'm interested to see any posts. And who has said that fighters "must not be "outshined" by Bards" in the social pillar? I'm interested to see posts. And who has said [I]all[/I] fighters are hobo bums? I'm interested to see posts. Or is it literally impossible for a fighter to be a hobo bum? Because my bringing up that fighters might be that was a rebuttal to [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/a-critique-and-review-of-the-fighter-class.689325/page-19#post-8672158']your attempt at special pleading[/URL] by assigning the role of hero to the fighter and wandering minstrel with no means of support other than what they can persuade people to give them to the bard. I pointed out that we can easily reverse those roles. There is nothing [I]inherent[/I] in the fighter that means they will be a hero and the bard won't. (But there are things the bard can do to help that the fighter can't). Please stop with the strawmen. [/QUOTE]

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