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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8672294" data-attributes="member: 93670">Yea.  5e bends over backwards to ensure that things like a middling strength strength fighter with points in charisma or something won't be meaningfully impacted, they just failed to include rules that make such a thing worthy charop or ignored what years of evidence show when  human nature meets charop generates.it actually takes quite a bit of work from the GM, rules that d&d 5e are kinda lacking in & digital tools that weren't at all robust enough to support it 7 years ago.  With things like<a href="https://arkenforge.com/using-a-touch-screen-with-your-digital-table/" target="_blank"> touch enabled VTTs</a> intended for meatspace gaming it's barely even there today let alone 7 years ago[spoiler="Here's a combat from a recent session"][ATTACH=full]251769[/ATTACH][/spoiler]If my count is right that's 78x82(I suspect it's not) & tbh that's probably only about half the map itself.[ispoiler]Players started with 4 bandits* at the red circle & pretty much  immediately killed about 1.5 of them causing 3 bandits to disengage & run like hell in the green arrow directions while calling for help.  4 more bandits came from each of the yellow arrows while the crunchy types were (eventually) on the se side & squishies in nw side but the NW bandits were not noticed by the squishies until the crunchy types were all in the SE side of the circle[/ispoiler]. Yea there was a lot of movement, but all of it was because players didn't know what  was being used & how much danger they were (not at all) in with the party cleric out. Much of the movement was a result of too many trees for the squishy ranged PCs to get line of sight but d&d5e even offers a few ways to ignore the sort of partial cover that the trees would have imposed.Had it not been coincidence that players went to the middle camp it would have required some degree of quantum ogre'ing of the camps & this level of wide scale thing week after week 6-8x/adventuring day is just not a reasonable bar  for the system to expect from a GM. Doing this indoors would likely have resulted in a TPK rocks fall type swarm because casters no longer have their ace in the back pocket spells for when things go sideways like in the past & nobody has shadowrun style break glass in case of emergency tools.... Sure the spells exist, they just don't have enough oomph to matter* role not statblockedit: Judging from the Vecna statblock empty room & lack of Vecna allies it doesn't seem like wotc's even pretending that it's possible for the kind of rolling dynamic combats that d&d5e's tactical simplicity was supposed to put front & center are even reasonable.</blockquote>

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