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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8677968" data-attributes="member: 67338">but it is the most effective melee class and a fullish caster... yeah it's broken. that's the thing people who want to play non casters and have to compare toward this.yes and no most melee centric bards I see are str and con (or dex and con more often) then cha, then they just don't use alot of save or attack spells.yeah by 5th level the bladesinger is way better then teh fighter.the funny part is I am saying 4e didn't go far enough. I want a Int attacking rogue and a Wis attacking fighter and a Cha attacking paliden to be as useful as a str or dex build</blockquote>