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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8678008" data-attributes="member: 67338">lol worst hit die in game is on average 2 hps per level less then fighter (3 then barbarian) so over 20 levels that is 40ish hp... over the first 4 levels bearly noticable. I mean no one gets extra attack at 1-4... wait I think monks do...maybe not sureSince I have seen full casters tank for 7 years now I just plane don't this to be in any way shape or form true.lets give you both... it will put your DPR (the thing you are best at) up even more... and do nothing about any other options.sorry I have seen both artificers and wizards be party tanks. neither are as optimal as a druid, cleric, bard, or hexblade but still very viable. I don't want your sympathy I would like you to understand. if you take a wotc dungeon (or homebrew one with no idea what anyone will play) that is meant for 3rd level characters and then run it three times, 1st run it with a fighter a rogue a cleric and a wizard (control group... defualt)2nd run it with 2 fighters and 2 rogue3rd run it with 4 full (or fullish if you do hexblade) casters but 2 built for melee you will NOT see the casters having more problems... you will find 7-9 out of 10 times the 2 fighters and 2 rogue have a harder time</blockquote>