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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8679283" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I guess there is a point about telling people they only get half the game to play with.&nbsp; I've just had to hear a lot of &quot;old school types&quot; (ironic since, I think by now, I'm considered an old school type) go on about how the game is best if it never gets to anything close to high level, and of course, the fact that most games never get to high level anyways.I shouldn't express the idea that people who want &quot;regular guy Fighter&quot; should be excluded from high level play, sorry about that.&nbsp; But it does feel like at some point, &quot;regular guy&quot; should stop being regular guy, as he is exposed to the wacky weirdness of the typical D&amp;D setting, strange training routines, artifacts, buff spells warping his flesh, and the typical Gygaxian tricks and traps changing his alignment, abilities, and maybe even his gender!*Or, if you were around during the 3e days, all the people touting E6 as balanced game play. Personally, I would have made the &quot;classic Fighter&quot; a subclass, not the chassis of the class. Certainly, we see most Fighter subclasses are all about doing things that are out of the ordinary, but they are limited by subclass design usually only granting 3ish main abilities and a ribbon or two.*Disclaimer: only with the permission of the player.&nbsp; I outgrew thinking the whole &quot;haha, your Fighter has breasts now&quot; was funny by the 8th grade.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8679283, member: 6877472"] I guess there is a point about telling people they only get half the game to play with. I've just had to hear a lot of "old school types" (ironic since, I think by now, [B]I'm [/B]considered an old school type) go on about how the game is best if it never gets to anything close to high level, and of course, the fact that most games never get to high level anyways. I shouldn't express the idea that people who want "regular guy Fighter" should be excluded from high level play, sorry about that. But it does feel like at some point, "regular guy" should [B]stop [/B]being regular guy, as he is exposed to the wacky weirdness of the typical D&D setting, strange training routines, artifacts, buff spells warping his flesh, and the typical Gygaxian tricks and traps changing his alignment, abilities, and maybe even his gender!* Or, if you were around during the 3e days, all the people touting E6 as balanced game play. Personally, I would have made the "classic Fighter" a subclass, not the chassis of the class. Certainly, we see most Fighter subclasses are all about doing things that are out of the ordinary, but they are limited by subclass design usually only granting 3ish main abilities and a ribbon or two. *Disclaimer: only with the permission of the player. I outgrew thinking the whole "haha, your Fighter has breasts now" was funny by the 8th grade. [/QUOTE]

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