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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8680998" data-attributes="member: 82504">It has the negative of depriving Battlemasters and others of getting the benefit and leaves the fighter who takes it even less distinguished in a sense  than the Champion. (unless that item is really badass but we are kind of discussing that be the case arent we.... hmmm write it up?)I was not necessarily going to strictly limit it to what could explicitly be achieved the Daughter of Athena getting a Cha (or Int) and Strength buff sounds appropriateI was suggesting those gave some broad measurement of how potent a single item can be  AND as a way to boost fighters <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> around higher tiers...I was not necessarily planning on them being explicitly the same as the item.Blood of Zeus cannot be handed to an ally for instanceMercuries bloodline may give Some Dex boost  and more movement boons Yes that can be an impact of the normal items... I was not necessarily going to have that.  AND this is in context of creating an Epic Destiny for the Fighter specifically.  If that means the fighter gets more other stats and skills and saves, ummm somehow I am not calling that a loss.The availability of any such remains to be seen outside of that context it is DM fiat after all this is 5e and its run by a little red car.</blockquote>

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