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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1307716" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p>I'll start with 2 problems I see in the books :</p><p></p><p>1) Frodo waiting for months before leaving AFTER it was found that without a doubt, he has the One Ring.</p><p>In the other thread, various rationalizations have been forwarded, none of which is remotely convincing to me.</p><p>They ignore the facts that Gandalf KNEW it was the One Ring, yet still allowed Frodo to kick back for months before leaving, thus creating the danger with the Ringwraiths later.</p><p></p><p>This is textual flim-flammery simply to create an action sequence, and people crucify modern directors/writers for pulling this kind of stuff. It'd be utterly refreshing to hear a Tolkein fan say "uhhh... yep! That was weak" and have that be OK.</p><p></p><p>2) The orcs killing each other to allow Sam to advance into Mordor. Without this silly plot device, Sam would most certainly have been captured. Based on the plot and forces that Tolkein himself described, there was no way for the Quest to have succeeded without pulling male-brain stunts like having an entire fortress kill themselves <em>the exact moment that Sam & Frodo needed them not to be there.</em></p><p></p><p>How many orcs were stationed there, anyway? Any guesses as to the size of the force at Cirith Ungul?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 1307716, member: 1194"] I'll start with 2 problems I see in the books : 1) Frodo waiting for months before leaving AFTER it was found that without a doubt, he has the One Ring. In the other thread, various rationalizations have been forwarded, none of which is remotely convincing to me. They ignore the facts that Gandalf KNEW it was the One Ring, yet still allowed Frodo to kick back for months before leaving, thus creating the danger with the Ringwraiths later. This is textual flim-flammery simply to create an action sequence, and people crucify modern directors/writers for pulling this kind of stuff. It'd be utterly refreshing to hear a Tolkein fan say "uhhh... yep! That was weak" and have that be OK. 2) The orcs killing each other to allow Sam to advance into Mordor. Without this silly plot device, Sam would most certainly have been captured. Based on the plot and forces that Tolkein himself described, there was no way for the Quest to have succeeded without pulling male-brain stunts like having an entire fortress kill themselves [i]the exact moment that Sam & Frodo needed them not to be there.[/i] How many orcs were stationed there, anyway? Any guesses as to the size of the force at Cirith Ungul? [/QUOTE]
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