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<blockquote data-quote="Cor Azer" data-source="post: 5633969" data-attributes="member: 870"><p>I'm fifty-fifty on how Jon survives, but I do think he's dead in some way. Melisandre should certainly have the same power as Thoros to bring someone back to life, and even Beric did it once with next to no training (although he had been a recipient several times).</p><p></p><p>The other option is that Jon wargs into Ghost to survive. All the foreshadowing of Varamyr in the prologue was setting up the warging into a beast so it has to be relevant for one of the Stark kids - but since Bran seems to be going the greenseer route, that leaves it for Jon or Arya.</p><p></p><p>I can't recall the exact place, but in one of the Melisandre chapters, she mentions in a vision of Jon - man, wolf, man; which seems to edge it a bit towards the warging. Then it becomes a question of how (or who) Jon wargs back into to become a man again. One possibility is one of the frozen corpses in the ice cells, and then using one of Mel's glamours to make himself resemble, well, himself.</p><p></p><p>Ramsay's letter has too much information to not be from Ramsay (ie, Reek), but it's strange that in the defeat of Stannis he didn't recover Theon, so something isn't going well there. Also strange that Roose would let him send off such a letter, so something fishy goes on at Winterfell.</p><p></p><p>I don't think Stannis is dead. I am considering the idea that his forces were routed. If Ramsay's letter has some truth to it (which I sure it does have some), I think Stannis' forces were caught with their pants down, but that the Ironborn somehow managed to spirit off Stannis with the Braavosi banker's help. Barring delusion on Ramsay's part, that's the only scenario I envision where where the Boltons win handily enough that they recover Lightbringer but fail to recapture Theon.</p><p></p><p>Also, I love the idea of this big battle not being directly shown - it positively screams incoherent nightmare memories for one or more surviving characters - a confused mayhem of white death.</p><p></p><p>As for Meereen, I see it splitting. Dany and Drogon are going with Khal Jhaqo to Vaes Dothrak, where Dany will cow the dosh khaleen, and then continue east past Asshai and across the Sunset Sea, landing in the west of Westeros. Victarion will be the match that lights the powderkeg that is Meereen, with the dragons bringing everything down. I suspect Barristan to die ('cause he knows too much history, and we can't have people learning that), but Tyrion escapes yet again (the Gods are not done with their butt-monkey) to join up with Aegon and Connington. This removes all the eastern folk from Dany's group, leaving only those who want to be in Westeros heading there, and finally, brutally, slays Kong.</p><p></p><p>I don't mind no Littlefinger - we know from Feast what he's doing - slowly dismantling the Lords Declarant, who agreed to give him a year to set things right. I suspect a very early chapter in Winds of Winter will be the Sansa/Harry wedding, so that the book can explore the mustering of the Vale, and the reactions of the rest of Westeros.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cor Azer, post: 5633969, member: 870"] I'm fifty-fifty on how Jon survives, but I do think he's dead in some way. Melisandre should certainly have the same power as Thoros to bring someone back to life, and even Beric did it once with next to no training (although he had been a recipient several times). The other option is that Jon wargs into Ghost to survive. All the foreshadowing of Varamyr in the prologue was setting up the warging into a beast so it has to be relevant for one of the Stark kids - but since Bran seems to be going the greenseer route, that leaves it for Jon or Arya. I can't recall the exact place, but in one of the Melisandre chapters, she mentions in a vision of Jon - man, wolf, man; which seems to edge it a bit towards the warging. Then it becomes a question of how (or who) Jon wargs back into to become a man again. One possibility is one of the frozen corpses in the ice cells, and then using one of Mel's glamours to make himself resemble, well, himself. Ramsay's letter has too much information to not be from Ramsay (ie, Reek), but it's strange that in the defeat of Stannis he didn't recover Theon, so something isn't going well there. Also strange that Roose would let him send off such a letter, so something fishy goes on at Winterfell. I don't think Stannis is dead. I am considering the idea that his forces were routed. If Ramsay's letter has some truth to it (which I sure it does have some), I think Stannis' forces were caught with their pants down, but that the Ironborn somehow managed to spirit off Stannis with the Braavosi banker's help. Barring delusion on Ramsay's part, that's the only scenario I envision where where the Boltons win handily enough that they recover Lightbringer but fail to recapture Theon. Also, I love the idea of this big battle not being directly shown - it positively screams incoherent nightmare memories for one or more surviving characters - a confused mayhem of white death. As for Meereen, I see it splitting. Dany and Drogon are going with Khal Jhaqo to Vaes Dothrak, where Dany will cow the dosh khaleen, and then continue east past Asshai and across the Sunset Sea, landing in the west of Westeros. Victarion will be the match that lights the powderkeg that is Meereen, with the dragons bringing everything down. I suspect Barristan to die ('cause he knows too much history, and we can't have people learning that), but Tyrion escapes yet again (the Gods are not done with their butt-monkey) to join up with Aegon and Connington. This removes all the eastern folk from Dany's group, leaving only those who want to be in Westeros heading there, and finally, brutally, slays Kong. I don't mind no Littlefinger - we know from Feast what he's doing - slowly dismantling the Lords Declarant, who agreed to give him a year to set things right. I suspect a very early chapter in Winds of Winter will be the Sansa/Harry wedding, so that the book can explore the mustering of the Vale, and the reactions of the rest of Westeros. [/QUOTE]
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