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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 5857470" data-attributes="member: 34175">The Type VIs cannot be slain... not even in the Abyss.  (At least not in 1eAD&D according to the MM.)  They can be deconstructed for a time, but never fully destroyed.  Likewise the only way to destroy a planar being is on their plane, and honestly, that's like Rambo going solo in Vietnam...  Great movie, zero believability.  What you end up with is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid kind of scenario where they are backed into a corner and gunned down by hundreds of Federales.  You mean to tell me a party of six or seven people gate into the Abyss and take on the entire host of 666 planes and win?  Sorry I call BS. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  They would never get to the named demons of any rank, especially when they start gating in other types, soon you have 6 to 600 hundred odds.  And a fond story of how our characters 'almost' made it 100 yards into the Abyss.Planescape and Spelljammer to me were feeble attempts to give back doors to poor DMs.  Can't think of a good adventure, pop the plane wheel and drop them somewhere else so you can use that new module that has absolutely nothing to do your campaign.  Spelljammer, while innovative, was just too far gone for me and I never liked the concept of Planescape.  The whole Blood War and the renaming of the demon and devil to crappy fake "non-Biblical" evil terms just reeked of capitulation to the Religious Wrong.  Now, I cannot say the settings were wrong, or bad, because the are beloved by many, but they just weren't my cup of tea.</blockquote>

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