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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3837169" data-attributes="member: 30001">If the book were titled "introduction to Dungeon Mastering" then I would find the analogy useful.  Otherwise, it seems to be that it assumes that thing which is debateable.Change is not better by virtue of the fact that it was a change, so this establishes nothing.Who's we?  You don't mean me. We would have to agree on what those mistakes were.  The previous editions used dice.  That's not semantics, that's an appeal for you to clarify.Do they?  That's the whole point.  You're assuming the thing that is the point of debate.  Including a module within the DMG IMO is *not* getting better about how to organize the game.  Beginner material and example material (also useful to experienced people) IMO is best handled in another book.  My point is to illustrate that the concept that you have of what consitutes appropriate material for the DMG and what doesn't is not fully developed IMO.  For example, your criteria does not exclude dice AFAICT.  I think your use of the word semantics here is just making plain that you're not understanding what I'm saying.Your confusion about what I'm saying is not necessarily my fault.  If you're not having an easy time being patient and reading what I'm writing, or you feel the need to continue to ascribe fanciful motives to why I'm writing this then we're both wasting our time.Ok, so you make a distinction between new DMs and new DMs that haven't played RPGs before.  And the distinction is so firm that trying to write to both audiences is inappropriate, and yet you won't make a distinction between exprienced and inexprienced DMs?  I don't see why one is worth it and the other isn't.  No, this is overstating what I'm trying to say.  I'm not running a space exploration campaign but if they want to throw in a page or two about laser guns into the DMG I'm fine with that.  What I don't want to see is what I saw in the DMG2, which was the Town of Saltmarsh.  I would have just rather bought a module for Saltmarsh.No, I'm trying to establish something else.  I think we both agree that new people - whether new to the hobby or new to DnD in particular, or new to DMing, or whatever need appropriate resources.  What we disagree with is where you want this information to be.  I'm a consumer of the DMG, my opinion counts for nothing more than that, and expressing it is designed to let other people know my perspective (and AFAICT) some others on this thread.I would bet, with no evidence other than anecdotal, that experienced DMs are far more likely to bring new people into the game than a DMG is.  Your comments about experienced players are overly dismissive of the contributions that veterans make to the longevity of the hobby.  Yes, IMO a new DM should buy a module.  Each encounter area could break down the rules for each encounter.  Again, this is mostly about where such information belongs.  I just don't think that the DMG is going to provide the information to a level of detail sufficient for what you're saying the purpose should be.  Do you think that Saltmarsh in the DMG II is sufficient for a new DM?I have no idea what you're talking about.  Do you have a link?  What would they put in a 2009 DMG that wasn't in 2008?  Would it be like the DMG2 with rules variants?The shortage of DMs IMO is a complicated subject and not done justice by your assertion of cause and effect.  I don't think that a town write-up in the DMG is going to change this.With increasing reluctance.  This is the reason I'm speaking out here.This is not an either/or proposition.  IMO this mistates my position.This is a description of some bogeyman of your imagination.Like playing WoW?  Change for the sake of change IMO isn't sensible.Nope, I just want it to spare me from an inordinant description of the basics, and an entire town with detail sufficient to be enlightening to a beginniner is an inordinant amount of detail for a general audience.  That's why they have the Dummies books.   IMO it's a bad idea to put out books that are increasingly difficult for me to justify buying on the hopes that you'll attract new people to replace me.  I've been playing DnD for 20 some years and it would make sense IMO to take that sort of loyalty seriously.  As I've said, I believe my contribution (and those of others in my situation) to bringing new people to the game is worth considering.  AFAICT from polls on these boards a large number of people learned to play DnD from the basic set, why such an idea is bad now when it seemed to work in the past is one of the questions I have.</blockquote>

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