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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5986933" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I'm saying that 4e whatever it's other merits or flaws was a radical shift from the design philosophy of the older three editions.&nbsp; 3e was a minor shift by comparison.&nbsp; So if we must part ways I would say that the name D&amp;D should adhere to it's traditional playstyle.&nbsp; You have no attachment to the game beyond 4e it would seem the way you talk about older editions.&nbsp; I'm not yet convinced that the group that feels 4e is hands down vastly better is a very big group.&nbsp; Don't assume all purchases and even players of 4e are in that camp.&nbsp; They are vocal on these boards and others but I have my doubts they are more than a sliver of the 4e playing crowd.&nbsp; It is perhaps why they are fighting so hard.I believe with 4e they achieved their highwater mark market penetration wise.&nbsp; I feel they can do a lot better by returning to traditional D&amp;D and taking into consideration some of the criticisms of those editions without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.I really believe that if 4e had been released the same year as 1e under a different name that Gary Gygax would not have sued.&nbsp; 4e would have been viewed as a totally different game.&nbsp; Whereas 3e would have brought a lawsuit.&nbsp; It is different but it's roots are obvious.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 5986933, member: 6698278"] I'm saying that 4e whatever it's other merits or flaws was a radical shift from the design philosophy of the older three editions. 3e was a minor shift by comparison. So if we must part ways I would say that the name D&D should adhere to it's traditional playstyle. You have no attachment to the game beyond 4e it would seem the way you talk about older editions. I'm not yet convinced that the group that feels 4e is hands down vastly better is a very big group. Don't assume all purchases and even players of 4e are in that camp. They are vocal on these boards and others but I have my doubts they are more than a sliver of the 4e playing crowd. It is perhaps why they are fighting so hard. I believe with 4e they achieved their highwater mark market penetration wise. I feel they can do a lot better by returning to traditional D&D and taking into consideration some of the criticisms of those editions without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I really believe that if 4e had been released the same year as 1e under a different name that Gary Gygax would not have sued. 4e would have been viewed as a totally different game. Whereas 3e would have brought a lawsuit. It is different but it's roots are obvious. [/QUOTE]

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