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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5987028" data-attributes="member: 996">What do you think the 'Edition War' was?  And, even if it wasn't trying to destroy 4e, or wasn't coordinated in the attempt (I would never liken it to a conspiracy, for instance), /it succeeded/.  4e is being destroyed.IMHO, 4e /did/ broaden their appeal, and it attracted a lot of new players, who, if they aren't promptly alienated, might well stay with the game for the /next/ 30 years.  That's worth the investment - and the 'loss' of some grognards to Paizo.Though I do get the revenue-motive for trying to drag everyone under the 5e umbrella, I don't see it having much chance of success.  Only the current 4e fans can be forcibly dragged (by using legal BS to suppress 4e), and that's more likely to drive them from the hobby than force them to adopt 5e.  Everyone else will just stick with the edition they already like.  5e might be enough like one of those eds 'but better' to capture that one segment of the fanbase, but that's a best-case scenario and strikes me as terribly unlikely.AFICT, here, what's going on is that the industry has long since become niche, but D&D, resting on it's 'first RPG' laurels, can't face up to the fact.  The niche of 2e was 'grognards who reject change,' niche of 3.x was 'power-mad system mastery,' and the niche of 4e was probably just 'casual play' (not that there wasn't plenty for serious gamers, but what it did /better/ than competing games was casual play).Not even close, and Heinsoo working on it doesn't make it so.  It's being marketed as another retro-clone of classic D&D, just more a spiritual than a mechanical clone - a step-child, perhaps.Something we agree on!Though I know, intellectually, that he's a talented designer, I just can't bring myself to give anything from the guy who brought us 'rewards for system mastery,' a fair shake.  Yes, it means I'm not as good a person as I could be, but I'll continue that struggle on other fronts...</blockquote>

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