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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5704433" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>Welcome to the board, and don't take this the hard way, it still furthers discussion <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />:</p><p></p><p>VERY unhelpful post! If people could just do that based on what they imagine a character to look like, the game would break down.</p><p></p><p>Imagine a Dex 6 PC who is grossly fat, but has nimble fingers: "I should get my Dex penalty as a bonus on skill checks that involve nimble fingers, because I've just described my fingers as nimble despite my bulk!"</p><p>Or a wheezing, feeble, consumption-plagued Con 5 character: "But I should get my Con penalty as a bonus to resist poison and disease, since my body has successfully fought off germs <em>in spite</em> of my feebleness!"</p><p>Or a Wis 4 Wizard who's a genius, but incredibly absent-minded: "But I need to get my Wis penalty as a bonus on Will saves! I'm so absent-minded I immediately forget about that Mind Flayer's <em>Suggestion</em>!"</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's simply not how the game works. The rules are the rules, and if you can't imagine a situation within the rules, imagine harder. 1st level guy with a big scar and negative Cha mod? Probably simply not that intimidating after all. Yes, he's scary looking, but it's just not enough to give you a penalty to anything - maybe his expression looks all stupid from the scar pulling at his facial tissue, or maybe he's so insecure due to unattractiveness that he has a stutter ("R-r-r-run away w-w-while y-y-you c-c-c. CAN! A-a-a-a-<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />."), or maybe he never looks you in the eye.</p><p>You want a scarred guy that's intimidating AND ugly and repulsive? Moderate Cha (strength of personality, but not really the looks to hook members of the other sex), lots of ranks in intimidate, maybe Skill Focus (Intimidate), and you have one scary bastard.</p><p></p><p>Hell, you can even give the guy high Cha and just roleplay him as so focused on intimidating the crap out of people that his natural force of personality doesn't come to bear. After all, when you're rolling an Intimidate check every round, no potential love interest will stick around long enough...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5704433, member: 78958"] Welcome to the board, and don't take this the hard way, it still furthers discussion ;): VERY unhelpful post! If people could just do that based on what they imagine a character to look like, the game would break down. Imagine a Dex 6 PC who is grossly fat, but has nimble fingers: "I should get my Dex penalty as a bonus on skill checks that involve nimble fingers, because I've just described my fingers as nimble despite my bulk!" Or a wheezing, feeble, consumption-plagued Con 5 character: "But I should get my Con penalty as a bonus to resist poison and disease, since my body has successfully fought off germs [I]in spite[/I] of my feebleness!" Or a Wis 4 Wizard who's a genius, but incredibly absent-minded: "But I need to get my Wis penalty as a bonus on Will saves! I'm so absent-minded I immediately forget about that Mind Flayer's [I]Suggestion[/I]!" That's simply not how the game works. The rules are the rules, and if you can't imagine a situation within the rules, imagine harder. 1st level guy with a big scar and negative Cha mod? Probably simply not that intimidating after all. Yes, he's scary looking, but it's just not enough to give you a penalty to anything - maybe his expression looks all stupid from the scar pulling at his facial tissue, or maybe he's so insecure due to unattractiveness that he has a stutter ("R-r-r-run away w-w-while y-y-you c-c-c. CAN! A-a-a-a-:):):):):):):)."), or maybe he never looks you in the eye. You want a scarred guy that's intimidating AND ugly and repulsive? Moderate Cha (strength of personality, but not really the looks to hook members of the other sex), lots of ranks in intimidate, maybe Skill Focus (Intimidate), and you have one scary bastard. Hell, you can even give the guy high Cha and just roleplay him as so focused on intimidating the crap out of people that his natural force of personality doesn't come to bear. After all, when you're rolling an Intimidate check every round, no potential love interest will stick around long enough... [/QUOTE]
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