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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 5986877" data-attributes="member: 32536">I don't particularly care for the tone of your post, so I'll just say this. I didn't phrase the &quot;mother may I?&quot; situation in the &quot;worst possible light&quot;, not did I phrase the alternative in the &quot;nest possible light&quot;. If I did either, my example would be very, very different. I tried my best to keep the two examples neutral in tone, and I hit some points that I considered advantages and disadvantages in both. Both examples are also pretty much identical to things I have seen in actual play.I have no idea how what you're saying here is related to what I was saying in the line you quoted...Anyways, we're not &quot;twisting&quot; anything. We're talking about the weaknesses of that style and problems inherent to it. You may not believe it, but I've seen exchanges exactly like the example I used above with my own eyes. It has clear flaws. Those flaws need to be discussed. The &quot;brought fun to millions over 25 years&quot; thing is meaningless, though. You have no way of knowing how much that style of play has actually been used, and by whom. You have no authority to speak for other groups and their preferences. None of us do. That said, the fact that in the past WotC has gone on the record to say that most groups prefer to use physical representation for describing character positioning indicates that &quot;theater of the mind&quot; play isn't the dominant playstyle.Also, yes, you are quite correct that &quot;Mother May I?&quot; is a demeaning term. That term is itself the subject of this thread, though, so you can't blame me for using it in this discussion.Finally, please don't use &quot;kids game&quot; as a pejorative. The best possible thing for this hobby is if D&amp;D is a children's game. Nothing could be be better. If WotC has any real sense for what is best for both this hobby and their profits, then young kids should be their highest-priority target demographic. I'd be dissappinted with anything less.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 5986877, member: 32536"] I don't particularly care for the tone of your post, so I'll just say this. I didn't phrase the "mother may I?" situation in the "worst possible light", not did I phrase the alternative in the "nest possible light". If I did either, my example would be very, very different. I tried my best to keep the two examples neutral in tone, and I hit some points that I considered advantages and disadvantages in both. Both examples are also pretty much identical to things I have seen in actual play. I have no idea how what you're saying here is related to what I was saying in the line you quoted... Anyways, we're not "twisting" anything. We're talking about the weaknesses of that style and problems inherent to it. You may not believe it, but I've seen exchanges exactly like the example I used above with my own eyes. It has clear flaws. Those flaws need to be discussed. The "brought fun to millions over 25 years" thing is meaningless, though. You have no way of knowing how much that style of play has actually been used, and by whom. You have no authority to speak for other groups and their preferences. None of us do. That said, the fact that in the past WotC has gone on the record to say that most groups prefer to use physical representation for describing character positioning indicates that "theater of the mind" play isn't the dominant playstyle. Also, yes, you are quite correct that "Mother May I?" is a demeaning term. That term is itself the subject of this thread, though, so you can't blame me for using it in this discussion. Finally, please don't use "kids game" as a pejorative. The best possible thing for this hobby is if D&D is a children's game. Nothing could be be better. If WotC has any real sense for what is best for both this hobby and their profits, then young kids should be their highest-priority target demographic. I'd be dissappinted with anything less. [/QUOTE]

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