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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StarFyre" data-source="post: 4215688" data-attributes="member: 26055">sorrysorry..i should have mentioned..We use the 2E spells and magic detailed spell crit hit tables as well.Fireball, in our use, causes heat/fire, but is also an explosion...so it has force.  Lightning bolt also can splinter and destroy things...you don't even want to know what sorts of chaos a meteor swarm can do <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />heheWe like all that stuff, since it allows friends who think about a situation, ways to do things instead of the illogical toe to toe combat that happens most of the time in games.For example, they had to raid a temple...they actually found a way (with and without magic!!!) that made sense, to bring down 3 of the support pillars in the main cahmber. I had to do quick rolls, etc and it ended up bring down part of the upper levels.It changed totally how the area played out...but was great.  SO far, I see how this can be done in 4E VERY easily..but sadly, no one does in what we have read.Sanjay</blockquote>