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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daedrova" data-source="post: 910055" data-attributes="member: 11835">Perhaps you could clarify above... It seems that your are saying you do not want to draw on religions' practices, but it seems as though the parenthetical insert is making an example of one (a religion), though I do not see the relevance if it is doing so.  I do not mean to be insulting in any way, but the statements above do not seem to support any argument, rather just reiterate the fact that you do not believe that logic and faith should be intertwined.For more than just the sake of argument, I am unclear as to what you mean by that statement since I don’t actually see any argument to what was said in my post. The fact that logic and faith are as different as "night and day" is true, in fact inherent in their very ideas.  It is impossible to argue against the fact, and I indeed embrace the concepts as such.  However, as pertaining to their roles IN a religious or belief structure...Every belief system has structure and consistency, it must have these things to be believed.  Both of these (structure and consistency) are fundamental in the workings of logic, and exist necessarily within that very system to be a system at all.  Order and reason: both of these very ideas stem from the roots of what logic is.  Perhaps not so ironically, on the other side of that proverbial coin, philosophy or religion attempt to explain WHY or HOW that order, or our reason, exists.They not only DO intertwine in their very concepts, but MUST to even exist at all.(premise) Logic is necessary for religion to have or to be a system.([sub] premise) since logic itself defines and gives structure to that idea of "system".conclusion: Faith and logic do "intertwine" (and) or are each necessary for the other.[/sub]</blockquote>

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