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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 357450" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p><strong>Re: Proof!</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually Al, although I agree with what should be allowed with "specify a single target", what is actually allowed is literally different.</p><p></p><p>I think that all the Split Ray feat proves is that the author of it made the same assumptions about Rays that you, Shard, and I made when he wrote the feat. IMHO.</p><p></p><p>After re-reading the text on Effects, it is quite clear that they target locations, not creatures. The location for Rays just happens to be a line of spaces as opposed to a single space like other Area Effect spells. Granted you have to make a Ranged Touch Attack roll for any creature in the line, but that is basically irrelevant. According to a literal reading of Rays, if you miss the first creature in the line, you get to target the second, etc. (since it is an Effect). Of course, you also get to choose which creature you attack as well, so it is kind of nebulous and not well written. Basically, you choose a target creature, roll, and then find out if you actually got into the Cover range of any creatures (that they gave to your target) between it and you. Then, if you do not really hit a different creature, you get to see if your attack hit the creature you were "targeting". If you do not really hit that creature, you get to see if your attack hit any creature behind the one you were "targeting" (again, since it is an Effect that "targets" a location of a line of spaces through that creature's space). In reality though, it does not target that creature per se, just the location where he is standing.</p><p></p><p>The possibility of hitting a target behind the actual target is also what should happen for missile weapons in a straight line where you miss the touch AC of the actual target, but I doubt most people actually do that or that there are any literal rules on that. But, the implication for missile weapons is there from the reading of Rays.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 357450, member: 2011"] [b]Re: Proof![/b] Actually Al, although I agree with what should be allowed with "specify a single target", what is actually allowed is literally different. I think that all the Split Ray feat proves is that the author of it made the same assumptions about Rays that you, Shard, and I made when he wrote the feat. IMHO. After re-reading the text on Effects, it is quite clear that they target locations, not creatures. The location for Rays just happens to be a line of spaces as opposed to a single space like other Area Effect spells. Granted you have to make a Ranged Touch Attack roll for any creature in the line, but that is basically irrelevant. According to a literal reading of Rays, if you miss the first creature in the line, you get to target the second, etc. (since it is an Effect). Of course, you also get to choose which creature you attack as well, so it is kind of nebulous and not well written. Basically, you choose a target creature, roll, and then find out if you actually got into the Cover range of any creatures (that they gave to your target) between it and you. Then, if you do not really hit a different creature, you get to see if your attack hit the creature you were "targeting". If you do not really hit that creature, you get to see if your attack hit any creature behind the one you were "targeting" (again, since it is an Effect that "targets" a location of a line of spaces through that creature's space). In reality though, it does not target that creature per se, just the location where he is standing. The possibility of hitting a target behind the actual target is also what should happen for missile weapons in a straight line where you miss the touch AC of the actual target, but I doubt most people actually do that or that there are any literal rules on that. But, the implication for missile weapons is there from the reading of Rays. [/QUOTE]
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