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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1592903" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>There is debate about this.</p><p></p><p>But Flurry only permits attacks with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons.</p><p></p><p>Weapon Focus: Grapple and Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike are two distinct feats, so we can see that grappling is not an unarmed strike (it's an unarmed attack, but not an unarmed strike). It's also not on the list of special monk weapons.</p><p></p><p>Therefore the answer to 1 and 2 is no.</p><p></p><p>While you're grappling, you can attack with a light weapon (at -4), which can include unarmed strike... so you can Flurry with this option. But initiating a grapple, damaging an opponent with a grapple check, and pinning are all invalid options in a flurry.</p><p></p><p>Disarm - absolutely. A Disarm is performed with a weapon, so as long as you're using unarmed strike or a special monk weapon to Disarm, you're fine.</p><p></p><p>Trip - with a kama. A Trip can be made with a special Trip weapon; if you are not using a special Trip weapon, it is an unarmed melee touch attack.</p><p></p><p>Unarmed strike is not a special Trip weapon, so if you are using Unarmed Strikes, you Trip as an unarmed melee touch attack (not with an unarmed strike), and thus cannot use this option as part of a Flurry. If you are using a kama, however, this is both a special Trip weapon <em>and</em> a special monk weapon, so you can Trip with a kama as part of a Flurry.</p><p></p><p>As noted above, this interpretation is debated <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1592903, member: 1656"] There is debate about this. But Flurry only permits attacks with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons. Weapon Focus: Grapple and Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike are two distinct feats, so we can see that grappling is not an unarmed strike (it's an unarmed attack, but not an unarmed strike). It's also not on the list of special monk weapons. Therefore the answer to 1 and 2 is no. While you're grappling, you can attack with a light weapon (at -4), which can include unarmed strike... so you can Flurry with this option. But initiating a grapple, damaging an opponent with a grapple check, and pinning are all invalid options in a flurry. Disarm - absolutely. A Disarm is performed with a weapon, so as long as you're using unarmed strike or a special monk weapon to Disarm, you're fine. Trip - with a kama. A Trip can be made with a special Trip weapon; if you are not using a special Trip weapon, it is an unarmed melee touch attack. Unarmed strike is not a special Trip weapon, so if you are using Unarmed Strikes, you Trip as an unarmed melee touch attack (not with an unarmed strike), and thus cannot use this option as part of a Flurry. If you are using a kama, however, this is both a special Trip weapon [i]and[/i] a special monk weapon, so you can Trip with a kama as part of a Flurry. As noted above, this interpretation is debated :) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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